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[Madman198237]

Wait, we could put Ross in? OK, VOTE CHANGE!

THREE VOTES FOR ROSS

(As a scrawny little guy with no magical talent, no muscles, and no redeeming characteristics whatsoever. In short, he can be the stereotypical, too-thin nerd with protruding ribs who will act as a meatshield)



Alrighty, now to do some armor-reevaluating.
In a spoiler, too, to save post length for everybody who doesn't want to read my ideas for armor stuff!
(Ross should learn from me, and use this for those horrible character-sheet posts.)

Spoiler: That spoiler about those numbers in the next spoiler. Confused? Good. (click to show/hide)

 For those of you who want it (Read: nobody) this is what each of these little otherwise meaningless numbers mean:
Slash protection: Cuts from swords and knives, along the length of the blade, NOT battleaxes or pointed warhammers.
Pierce: Spear/sword/dagger thrusts aimed at getting through armor weak spots.
Blunt: Damage from warhammers (No pointy bits) and maces, and pommel/hilt/haft strikes from swords, axes, pretty much anything that is not sharp and it used to gives you bruises. And drive your skull through your brain.
Ballistic damage: Damage from ARROWS not bullets or bolts. Based off of the self-bow (Think English longbow), because I don't know what bows are actually in the game, and because I doubt that anyone's thought past "Fantasy bow!" which is basically the self-bow, or English longbow.
Bullet damage: You guessed it, it's damage from bullet weapons!
Axe: Damage from those nasty weapons that combine weight, reach, AND sharp, pointy bits into one package designed to kill you! How nice, right? Based off of the fantasy axe, not, say, the Dane axe, used by the Vikings, because the Dane axe is not super heavy compared to a sword, and uses its edge.
Mobility: The mobility penalty you ought to suffer wearing armor of this type. WILL SHOW UP IN LATER, MORE COMPLETE VERSIONS.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Clothes - 1 ballistic---Turns out, a silk shirt was the difference between the Mongols and their enemies, all of whom used bows. It won't stop a spear, though...
Cloth-Padding Armor- 1 slash / 1 pierce / 1 blunt / 2 ballistic / 1 bullet / 0 axe--- Like wearing a couple dozen silk shirts! Which may save your life.
Leather Clothing - 1 slash / 0 pierce / 0 blunt / 1 ballistic / 0 bullet / 0 axe--- Arguably not even deserving of its own class.... Ah, well.
Leather Armor- 2 slash / 1  pierce / 1 blunt / 1 ballistic / 2 bullet / 1 axe--- Assuming rawhide. A certain commander during the 30 Years' War survived bullet hits because of his rawhide "buff coat"
Chain mail - 3 slash / 3 pierce / -1 blunt/ 3 ballistic / 0 bullet / 3-1 axe--- Depending on the axe's weight, this value can change. Unbacked chain suffers blunt penalty for axe damage, but backed chain loses the penalty entirely, and a small axe does not have that blunt penalty.
Metal Cuirass - 5 slash / 4 pierce / 3 blunt/ 5 ballistic / 2 bullet / 4 axe--- Ah, the wonders of a solid metal breastplate. Or, rather, cuirass, because it covers front and back, I'm assuming. Platemail shall have similar characteristics, but less mobility.
Lamellar- 4 slash / 3 pierce / 4 blunt / 4 ballistic / 2 bullet / 3 axe--- No, it's not super-armor anymore, I increased all armor values.
Brigandine- 4 slash / 3 pierce / 3 blunt / 4 ballistic / 1 bullet / 2 axe--- Like platemail, except with less area coverage, less of a mobility penalty, and smaller plates. Good for covert ops, though. Like a medieval Black Ops concealed armor vest.
Plate mail- 5 slash / 4 pierce / 3 blunt / 5 ballistic / 2 bullet / 4 axe--- Like a metal cuirass, except full-body, with more weight. You must train to carry this weight around for long, but it doesn't restrict motion-just movement speed, to an extent.
Ring mail- 3 slash / 2 pierce / 0.5 blunt / 1 ballistic / 0 bullet / 0 axe--- Chainmail, with an incorporated back. Except ringmail seems to have larger rings, so, disadvantage there.
Splint - 3 slash / 2 pierce / 2 blunt/ 2 ballistic / 1 bullet / 2 axe--- Well, it'll stop slashing and hacking attacks, maybe, but a bullet? Not with metal strips that size... At least with that leather backing or whatever it is, it'll be better than nothing.

As always, IF YOU HAVE A BETTER IDEA, I WANT TO HEAR IT! Especially if you can back it up with a reliable source. Most of this is going off of information I learned a while ago.

And, since Ross has been lazy about making me a materials list.... I'm gonna ask everybody to think of all the materials from this game that are applicable to this game, give them to me in posts and stuff, and I will then update a materials list with some highly specific goals which will be hidden in another wonderful spoiler (Hint, hint, Ross ) along with my limited metallurgical knowledge.

Spoiler: Materials List (click to show/hide)

This is just, for now, a list of metals/materials in the game. Later it will include more stuff, like details of the metals/materials. So, for now, I would like the names of every weapon/armor-making material in the game, and basic qualities. Hardness, weight, those sorts of things. These first few do not have a quality list, because I know about them, but I will put iron's qualities in in a format that will show what I'd like to have .
So, to start:
Tin-extremely soft for a metal, almost useless for a weapon.
Copper-Not much better, but able to take a mediocre edge for a short amount of time.
Bronze-Definite improvement.
Iron-Ranges from soft, but harder than bronze, too so hard it's brittle. Example format: Iron; hard, medium weight, very common, other forms (True iron or whatever the word it, that sort of thing. "Special versions" of the material, basically, such as essence of iron, etc.)
Orichalcum-Incredibly rare, usually made into Essence of Orichalcum, almost a superconductor, failryhigh-mid weight.
Mithril/Adamantine-Whichever one you want, as far as I'm concerned, they're the same thing. Mithril; SPECIAL; hard, incredibly light, well-nigh indestructible, incredibly rare. True Mithril: Incredibly higher purity, as close to indestructible as you're likely to get, even more insanely rare, incredibly light, harder than diamond.

[Ross Vernal]

I'm actually an archer, so I did put thought into it. 

I'd I'd like to keep existing damage types, though.

[Madman198237]

I was just classifying by weapon, to demonstrate effectiveness.
It's still just my opinion, however, so feel free to use whatever you like. I'm just being my very realistic self and making values as close as I can. I can also change them back, put my values in a separate list, whatever. It doesn't really matter to me-I just like my hyper-realistic (And thus, DF's combat system ) weaponry details.
Or, at least, well-structured game setup.

By the way, material list... What are the most important and/or most common materials that I didn't put in the list?

[Rolepgeek]

I'd say adamantium and mithral should be very different.

Essence of Orichalcum might be important, considering I now have a sword made of it.

Adamantium would be heavy but incredibly strong and hard and difficult to forge(tungsten-level heat resistance, anyone?)
Mithral would be probably as strong as really high quality steel, even when low quality, but even better, it would have the weight of aluminum. Also difficult to forge, but that's because it can become brittle and it's delicate to work with without fucking up.

ALUMINUM ARMOR BEHOLD

[Madman198237]

OK, so, basically, you want to take DF's adamantine and split it, into a super-heavy, super-strong, really heat-resistant adamantine, and into a super-light, super-strong, brittle Mithril.

I'm thinking LOTR Mithril, but, whatever. I just like Mithril as a name more than adamantine. So, what's essence of Orichalcum like? Hard, soft, heavy, special properties? Heat resistance? Rarity? I just need some details and I'll put it on the list.

[Ross Vernal]

Yeah, this. It's worth noting that True is of dramatically higher purity than common mithral.

Orichalcum is a golden/bronze color, and is almost a superconductor.  It's stupidly rare, which is why most of it is refined into Essence and mixed / used in glass.

[Madman198237]

OK, then, I'll edit the materials list, and/or repost in an edit here.
So, Ross, what do you think about the current Mithril stats in the materials post? Do you think that Rolepgeek's stats for Mithril are better?

[Rolepgeek]

OK, so, basically, you want to take DF's adamantine and split it, into a super-heavy, super-strong, really heat-resistant adamantine, and into a super-light, super-strong, brittle Mithril.

I'm thinking LOTR Mithril, but, whatever. I just like Mithril as a name more than adamantine. So, what's essence of Orichalcum like? Hard, soft, heavy, special properties? Heat resistance? Rarity? I just need some details and I'll put it on the list.

Not super heavy, but heavier than basic steel, yeah, and far, far stronger. Mithril, on the other hand, would be light but very strong for it's size (basically it's titanium in magic-land).

[Ross Vernal]

I like.

[Gamerlord]

...
*shrug*

[Madman198237]

Alrighty, you like what?

"I like" tells me nothing.

[Ross Vernal]

Rolepgeek got my intents.

*waiting for IC*

[Madman198237]

Then I will edit the list.

DONE.
This is just, for now, a list of metals/materials in the game. Later it will include more stuff, like details of the metals/materials. So, for now, I would like the names of every weapon/armor-making material in the game, and basic qualities. Hardness, weight, those sorts of things. These first few do not have a quality list, because I know about them, but I will put iron's qualities in in a format that will show what I'd like to have .
So, to start:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Tin-extremely soft for a metal, almost useless for a weapon.
Copper-Not much better, but able to take a mediocre edge for a short amount of time.
Bronze-Definite improvement, harder, stronger, but not brittle.
Iron-Ranges from soft, but harder than bronze, to so hard that it's brittle. Example format: Iron; hard, medium weight, very common, other forms (True iron or whatever the word it, that sort of thing. "Special versions" of the material, basically, such as essence of iron, etc.)
Orichalcum-Incredibly rare, usually made into Essence of Orichalcum, almost a superconductor, fairly high-mid weight, very hard but not brittle.
Adamantine; SPECIAL; hard, very dense, nearly indestructible, incredibly rare, takes a lot of heat to forge, needs an extremely skilled smith, and is hard to forge.
Mithril; SPECIAL; hard, incredibly light, well-nigh indestructible, incredibly rare, requires extreme heat to forge. True Mithril: Incredibly higher purity, as close to indestructible as you're likely to get, even more insanely rare, incredibly light, harder than diamond, can be over-forged into something brittle. Requires extremely proficient smith to craft.

[GrizzlyAdamz]

@madman
I'd apply the damage debuff for unbacked chainmail to piercing as well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGu4bpb4eTI


Votes:
Ingvar the swordsage/boardgame master
Ainir the perfectionist engineer firegiant

And to round them off, looking for someone charismatic/independent.
So either Ottunnort the toad dreadnaught or Jaycius the templar if he gets more fleshed out, (the card games in particular might set him up with the others).
Maybe Kaz, but he's too quiet by himself.

[Madman198237]

Very well.

Excellent source, by the way.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Clothes - 1 ballistic---Turns out, a silk shirt was the difference between the Mongols and their enemies, all of whom used bows. It won't stop a spear, though...
Cloth-Padding Armor- 1 slash / 1 pierce / 1 blunt / 2 ballistic / 1 bullet / 0 axe--- Like wearing a couple dozen silk shirts! Which may save your life.
Leather Clothing - 1 slash / 0 pierce / 0 blunt / 1 ballistic / 0 bullet / 0 axe--- Arguably not even deserving of its own class.... Ah, well.
Leather Armor- 2 slash / 1  pierce / 1 blunt / 1 ballistic / 2 bullet / 1 axe--- Assuming rawhide. A certain commander during the 30 Years' War survived bullet hits because of his rawhide "buff coat"
Chain mail - 3 slash / 3 pierce / 2 blunt/ 3 ballistic / 0 bullet / 3 axe--- Blunt penalty removed---because chainmail by itself is far less effective against any weapon, so this is now soft-leather-backed chainmail, with maybe a shirt or something below.
Chainmail by itself: 1 pierce / -1 blunt / 2 slash / 0 bullet / 1 axe--- Chainmail by itself appears to be pretty much useless-easily stabbed through with a spear, and then dragged in behind a spear, causing MORE damage. Not the best armor choice. Thanks to Grizzly for showing me a neat YouTube video about it.
Metal Cuirass - 5 slash / 4 pierce / 3 blunt/ 5 ballistic / 2 bullet / 4 axe--- Ah, the wonders of a solid metal breastplate. Or, rather, cuirass, because it covers front and back, I'm assuming. Platemail shall have similar characteristics, but less mobility and more coverage.
Lamellar- 4 slash / 3 pierce / 4 blunt / 4 ballistic / 2 bullet / 3 axe--- No, it's not super-armor anymore, I increased all armor values.
Brigandine- 4 slash / 3 pierce / 3 blunt / 4 ballistic / 1 bullet / 2 axe--- Like platemail, except with less area coverage, less of a mobility penalty, and smaller plates. Good for covert ops, though. Like a medieval Black Ops concealed armor vest.
Plate mail- 5 slash / 4 pierce / 3 blunt / 5 ballistic / 2 bullet / 4 axe--- Like a metal cuirass, except full-body, with more weight. You must train to carry this weight around for long, but it doesn't restrict motion-just movement speed, to an extent.
Ring mail- 3 slash / 2 pierce / 0.5 blunt / 1 ballistic / 0 bullet / 0 axe--- Chainmail, with an incorporated back. Except ringmail seems to have larger rings, so, disadvantage there.
Splint - 3 slash / 2 pierce / 2 blunt/ 2 ballistic / 1 bullet / 2 axe--- Well, it'll stop slashing and hacking attacks, maybe, but a bullet? Not with metal strips that size... At least with that leather backing or whatever it is, it'll be better than nothing.

Oh, and why is nobody voting about the pirate attack?
Come on people, VOTE FOR THE PIRATE ATTACK!