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[Ukrainian Ranger]

Any info on what kinds of F-Kai we can make?
drone-pollinator-scout-soldier-predator-nurse-commander? Or they have some unique ranks?


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While I really wanted farming queen, now I am not that sure that pure farming queen is  needed. We can use something like 10 F-commanders, mated with our pollinator can produce 200 F-drones... Yes farming queen would be good for royal jelly production but that's not that necessary

Our options for queens:
a)  F-polliantor,
Pros: probably more royal jelly, probably boost to plant related research, probably better communication with flowers.  In case of civil war we may turn flowers against our opponents
Cons: She is not that important to have her 100% loyal.  We don't really know what result we'll get...

b)F-Commander (most likely mind queen with additional rewards but may be same as a) )
Pros: Research boost. Still should have F-traits benefiting
Cons: Noticeably worse research abilities than programmer's offspring

c)  F-predator
Pros: It's good to have a loyal war queen for future civil wars.
Cons: No synergy between farming and war expect the fact that both soldiers and supplies will be covered by our loyal queen

d) T-queen
Pros: Great boost to research
cons: We need to wait. Having mind queen 100% loyal is good for long term wars, but not for short term wars.

d) S-Queen
Pros: Kick-ass combat unit, rapid development of the army, serious advantage in case of civil war
Cons: We need to wait. Negligible economic effect

I prefer  F-caste queen, because I am curios to see what result we'll get, I want more jelly, I want queen sooner than later, and I don't want our hive to be dependent on tech.
My second choice is upgrading S-soldier to ultimate war machine level and getting War queen, because I want a loyal war queen in future civil conflicts. My third choice is making a queen from F-predator, probably worse war queen, but sooner and with some civilian traits

Speaking on tech... Ross, can you add the tech tree in the stats?


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Can't see any connection between cloning and changing queen's type

[Ross Vernal]

General list. Other stuff can be added as requested.

General Science
Power Storage 2
Computers 1
Sensory Array 2
Microfusion 1
Atomic Seperator 2
Pollen Refinery 2
Field Emitter 1
Plastics 2
Metals/Alloys 2
Terraforming 1

Weaponry
Intensity 2 (Requires Plastics 3)
Range 2
Duration 2
Ammo 2 (Requires Power Storage 3)
Weight 1
Projectile 1
Explosive 1
Psychic 1
Large-Scale Weaponry 1

Armory
EPS Suit 2
Combat Suit 3 (Requires EPS 2)
"Shield" Generator (Requires Field Emitter 1, Storage 3, and Combat Suit 3)

Robotics
Assembler 2
Pretransport 1
Human Transport 1


Biology
Adrenal Response
Metabolic Control
Digestive Chamber 2
Synthetic Food Refinement
Venom Enhancement
Increased Fertility
Queen Hormones
Strong Carapace
Extra Perception
Iron Spines

Plants
Plant Grafting
Mind to Mind Communion
Seed Fusion
Extended Lifespan
Shortened Cycles
Hybridrone Studies
Fertilizer 3
Royal Jelly Refinement

Human Science
Signal Analysis
Document Translation
Xenoflora Studies
Computer Analysis

I'll add it in later when I'm not on my Kindle.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

The plan

I. cloning
Clone mining drones, I think we need more of them for expansion

II. eggs
 Lay 50 F-Caste drones, 40 F-Caste pollinators, 10 F-Caste commanders
That will solve our food problems for a long time,

III. Flowers
Create many new flower chambers... plant our basic underground plants here

Plant new queen flower using Seed of Life (Queen, Spiny, Evergreen, Acid Soil, Cold-Tolerant) as a new queen flower on place on the old (looks like it's going to die. Or am I wrong and only generic gen 1 flowers will die?)

Plant new princess using Seed of Life (Princess, Queen, Acid Soil, Cold-Tolerant)

Dig cooler flower garden with lamps imitating Martian day\night cycle and soil from surface (with no fertilizer), and plant 5 Seeds of Life (Underground, Acid Soil, Cold-Tolerant) there

Create a hydroponic farm and plant 1 Seed of Life (Aquatic, Spiny, Neutral, Cold-Tolerant) and 9 Seeds of Life (Neutral Soil, Cold-Tolerant) there

Keep pollinating underground flowers with each other

IV Royal jelly usage
One unit: Improve cold tolerance of the queen, add electric eating, study the scout and copy some of it's traits, tolerate reducing mining adaptation if needed (we have enough miners, and our future kids don't really need mining)

one unit: Double fertilize a spined nurse (both as a male and as a female)  (or two units if needed)

Two units: Make T drone fertile, improve it's understanding of alien minds (good for mind queen, remember that mind is not only techs but mind attacks, too)

V Mating
Programming drone with the queen,  B-commander and royal scout
Spined nurse(as male) with spined commander (that will cover our  long term mining needs and will maintain existence of our mining caste while queen returns to pure B-caste)
LVL-1 pollinator with spined nurse (as female)

VI Techs
Keep analyzing human records
Use titanium to upgrade our armors (ESP suit 2, combat suit 3)
Continue working on new computers
Look for ways to prolong plant's life

VII
Military: Lay low
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More ideas later

[Ukrainian Ranger]

Any comments, suggestions, proposals??

As most players want mind queen the plan above assumes that we will make one later... 10 commanders will later mate with our pollinator maintaining F-caste without F-queen, same goes for M-caste, that will always stay useful, but probably doesn't need a queen in the near future

[Ross Vernal]

Or am I wrong and only generic gen 1 flowers will die?

All Gen1 are gonna wither of age.

Also, it's rather difficult to undo changes that have been made.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

Also, it's rather difficult to undo changes that have been made.

What do you mean? Changes to queen? Changes to plants?

[javierpwn]

Removing the mining aspect from our queen.

[Noxes]

Not a bad thing to be mining adapted. Especially once we start building our S-Caste as Burrowing Soldiers are a useful thing to have.

I too am intrigued by having an F-Queen as our first sub-queen, after all just look at the topics on the plant related research list. Any additional benefits we can get by specializing down that path are bound to be interesting (long term developments of mind-to-mind communion and seed fusion my be very interesting indeed). I say Pollinator Queen as the first sub-queen and the growth of the F-Caste along the lines of Ukrainian Rangers suggestion

Lay 50 F-Caste drones, 40 F-Caste pollinators, 10 F-Caste commanders

. I also like the idea of cloning mining drones and expanding for future growth, but the growth should be focused around the deep hive: Chambers for the the Pollinator Queen and her caste members should be near to the largest growing areas so they can remain in relative proximity to the flowers at all times (who knows what benefits, and no harm in trying).

We should still grow our T-caste with the goal of eventually producing a T-Queen as well. With that end in mind, fertilize the Programmer drone (after the F-Queen) and mate with it, with the future Queen likely coming from that brood. Though it will be less loyal to us, it will still have the interests of the Hive in mind and so will be an asset as would future queens.

 

[Ukrainian Ranger]

So there are two of us preferring F-caste queen to mind caste? Any others?

Also, it's hard to decide what is a better candidate for turning into a queen, F-pollinator or F-commander

I think F-commander queen will be little more versatile and better in orgasnizing F-caste

[javierpwn]

But wouldn't an F-Pollinator Queen be more suited to advancing their own tech tree?

[Ukrainian Ranger]

But F-Queen need to coordinate efforts of the whole F-caste, not only research

Besides commanders are smarter than pollinators, so it may be that pollinator queen will be not that bright researcher

[Noxes]

Also, it's hard to decide what is a better candidate for turning into a queen, F-pollinator or F-commander

I think F-commander queen will be little more versatile and better in orgasnizing F-caste

But F-Queen need to coordinate efforts of the whole F-caste, not only research

Besides commanders are smarter than pollinators, so it may be that pollinator queen will be not that bright researcher

Except, Pollinators have the closest relationship with the Flowers (outside of Ourself that is) and so it makes sense (to me anyway) that to get the best bonuses on flower related research (especially of a psychic nature) you would want the best relationship with the flowers you could have (which is what javierpwn was getting at, I think) Also, I can't help but wonder what the Queen Flower of a Pollinator Queen would be like.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

The plan mk.2
This plan is centered around F-queen, I think it's more in character (With abundant Royal jelly it's logical to produce queen ASAP and body queen should worry about flowers) it's funnier (I am really curios what will F-queen look like)  and allows us to do all that hilarious plant related fun stuff (hybrid-caste, studying human plants, grafting, cloning, seed fusion, superqueenflower and many other mad science projects), even if mind queen looks somewhat better

I. cloning
Clone mining drones, I think we need more of them for our expansion

II. eggs
 Lay 50 F-Caste drones, 40 F-Caste pollinators, 10 F-Caste commanders
That will solve our food problems for a long time,

III. Flowers
Create many new flower chambers... plant our basic underground plants here

Plant new queen flower using Seed of Life (Queen, Spiny, Evergreen, Acid Soil, Cold-Tolerant) as a new queen flower on place on the old (looks like it's going to die. Or am I wrong and only generic gen 1 flowers will die?)

LVL1 pollinator to plant new princess using Seed of Life (Princess, Queen, Acid Soil, Cold-Tolerant)

Dig cooler flower garden with lamps imitating Martian day\night cycle and soil from surface (with no fertilizer), and plant 5 Seeds of Life (Underground, Acid Soil, Cold-Tolerant) there

Create a hydroponic farm and plant 1 Seed of Life (Aquatic, Spiny, Neutral, Cold-Tolerant) and 9 Seeds of Life (Neutral Soil, Cold-Tolerant) there

Keep pollinating underground flowers with each other

Store all other pollen, without refining it

IV Royal jelly usage
One unit: Increase cold tolerance of the queen (that to be done before laing eggs, to get cold tolerant F-caste)
One unit: Feed to F-pollinator larvae
One unit: Fertilize programing drone\improve it's telepathic abilities
One unit: Fertilize Spined predator\make it even more adapted for undeground
One unit: Reserve\feed  F-queen if needed

V. Mating
1. Programming drone with the royal scout, the queen and body commander
2. Spined predator with spined commander (I want to develop M-caste here)

VI Techs
Keep analyzing human records
Use titanium to upgrade our armors (ESP suit 2, combat suit 3)
Continue working on new computers
Our team of nurses to research ways to increase fertility without Royal jelly usage (use body commander as test subject)

VII
Military: Lay low

VIII. Stasis
As we are laying low, it's time to reduce our armed forces yet again. I want to leave only borrowing soldiers as they are useful in civilian roles and together with high level drones can stop anything that may attack us any time soon
Stasis: 4 Soldiers, 17 scouts, 1 Hybridrone (we need to store it for future study by grown-up F-queen... else the flower on it will die)
Semistasis: Stalker, 5 Armored Soldiers

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Ross, what Spined Predator looks like? Predators are nasty and I want to know what special properties M-casted predator has before fertilizing it

[Ross Vernal]

Pollinator commander to queen is better than pollinator to queen.

Like a normal predator, just fuzzy and spiny. Legs are stronger and it has r reduced vision in exchange for vibration sensing and other senses suited for underground.

Edit: guns or butter? Consider effects of a revolt. Do You prefer controlling the majority of the food supply, fast breeding, or guns/armor/tech?

[Ukrainian Ranger]

I am from the "war is run by economics" camp Besides civil war between body and mind can be !!FUN!!

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The plan mk.3

I. cloning
Clone mining drones

II. eggs
 Lay 50 F-Caste drones, 39 F-Caste pollinators, 11 F-Caste commanders
That will solve our food problems for a long time

III. Flowers
Create many new flower chambers... plant our basic underground plants here

Plant new queen flower using Seed of Life (Queen, Spiny, Evergreen, Acid Soil, Cold-Tolerant) as a new queen flower on place on the old (looks like it's going to die. Or am I wrong and only generic gen 1 flowers will die?)

LVL1 pollinator to plant new princess using Seed of Life (Princess, Queen, Acid Soil, Cold-Tolerant)

Dig cooler flower garden with lamps imitating Martian day\night cycle and soil from surface (with no fertilizer), and plant 5 Seeds of Life (Underground, Acid Soil, Cold-Tolerant) there. Dig it deep, use ice to cool it down

Create a hydroponic farm and plant 1 Seed of Life (Aquatic, Spiny, Neutral, Cold-Tolerant) and 9 Seeds of Life (Neutral Soil, Cold-Tolerant) there

Keep pollinating underground flowers with each other

Store all other pollen, without refining it

IV Royal jelly usage
One unit: Increase cold tolerance of the queen
One unit: Feed to F-Commander larvae and make a queen
One unit: Fertilize programing drone\improve it's telepathic abilities
One unit: Fertilize Spined predator\make it more darkness adapted (night-fighting unit is always good)
One unit: Reserve\feed  F-queen if needed

V. Mating
1. Programming drone with the royal scout, the queen and body commander
2. Spined predator with spined commander (I want to keep getting M-caste)

VI Techs
Keep analyzing human records

Use titanium to upgrade our armors (ESP suit 2, combat suit 3)

Continue working on computers. Try to make our computers able to use Kai-telepathy, and Kai-pheromones for input and output

Our team of nurses to research ways to increase fertility without Royal Jelly usage (use body commander as the test subject)

VII
Military: Lay low

VIII. Stasis
As we are laying low, it's time to reduce our armed forces yet again. I want to leave only borrowing soldiers as they are useful in civilian roles and together with high level drones can stop anything that may attack us any time soon
Stasis: 4 Soldiers, 17 scouts, 1 Hybridrone (we need to store it for future study by grown-up F-queen... else the flower on it will die)
Semistasis: Stalker, 5 Armored Soldiers

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Any comments, counterproposals, ideas?