Dem should probably be replaced.
1. Disagreed on account of him not being active at all: Yes he could just be logged out, but I don't think that's likely as he has shown up before as "active" without posting. If he's not been active at all he very well could have forgotten about the game, meaning if we lynch the other scum we get a kill-less night.
2. That could only confirm him as town, and even then only if he wasn't overly scummy afterwards... I don't think Tiruin would stop the game just because of that.
3. Noted. Your question was why we're not voting for Dem or Vector when our votes can be FAR more productively used to apply pressure to get reads on people who have replaced in.
1 is destroyed by points two and three. Firstly, it is very poor moderation to allow a player's absence to confirm a player's alignment/ prevent a scum kill, and Tiruin wouldn't do it. Secondly, I am not voting for Dem so your point is entirely invalid anyway.
2 is incorrect - confirming a player as town due to something that isn't a game mechanic is something you shouldn't allow as a mod. Same for confirming as scum. The idea that we could get a kill free night because the last mafia member is absent is simply incorrect.
3. The ultimate purpose of your vote is to lynch scum. I formed cases explaining why these two people are scum, and not a single person has commented on them. If you have no problems with my cases then you agree that they are scum. If you have issues with my cases then you should bring them up.
Why were you calling for lynch votes when you thought we had 2ish weeks left?
Because lynching scum is the aim of this game and there is never a bad time to do it.
Could I get more detail on why that is not true?
I explained in points 1, 2 and 3. The evidence led me to them, so I went after them.
Well, you cant really question them now can you? If they're not here then you're questioning a wall, getting more and more suspicious of your target while allowing scum to run free.
This feels like a failure of the BM teaching process. Part of mafia is questioning people, yes. But ultimately you also need to
get scum lynched. If you spend the whole day "questioning" you will basically always lynch town.
Partly yes, but I'm more concerned about the way that you are tunneling the TWO people who are unavailable to respond, and the way that you are deflecting my case with bi-syllabic answers. You have mentioned other people as possible scum, but you are only building cases on the two who aren't here.
There are two mafia members in this game. Therefore I am going after the two people who appear to be mafia together. There is no third mafia member I can go after.
Almost completely conjecture, and nothing that doesn't scream scum groping around for something to build a case with.
This isn't actually addressing what I said at all - you are dismissing it without any actual argumentation. They key points I would like you to talk about, if you want to challenge my logic:
Dem: Why would Dem not vote for someone they believed to be the most dangerous player in the game? Why did Dem vote to shorten the day when there was no real consensus over who should be lynched, and when what little conensus there was went towards a person they
weren't voting?
My answer is that Dem was scum, and knew the cop was getting lynched. However, Dem didn't want to be associated with that lynch. Do you have an alternative answer?
Vector: Why did she keep voting someone even after her (sole) original reason for voting him was shown to be wrong?
My answer is that she realized he was the actual cop, and still had to die.
Why didn't she bring up Dem's strange willingness to shorten the day? She mentioned that Dem was scummy earlier for "playing to the crowd", but when Dem brought up the shorten request she simply went along with it.
My answer is that she didn't want to bring up something so damning for her partner.
Looking back on it, I also don't like the "Cado's probably town and the actual cop but we have to lynch him anyway because ~reasons~" thing she's got going on either. Examples:
In #409 she says that her gut says Cado is town but he should be lynched anyway because
In #443 onwards she says that the most likely scumteam is Ford/Dem, but doesn't bother to question them and instead keeps trying to get someone she thinks is town (and therefore possibly the only town power role) lynched
This is a problem because attempting to distance yourself from a lynch you are voting for is a scumtell. Scum knows everybody's alignment, and thus they know when a lynch they are pushing is going to flip town. This means that they may try to use "damage control", so that they don't look so bad after the person flips town. I think that's what Vector was doing. I certainly cannot see any justification for voting someone you believe to be the town cop from a town perspective.