Demdemeh:
First off, I appreciate your defending me, Shinigami, but saying yourself that you think I'm slightly scummy and then later telling people they shouldn't vote for me seems a bit too "reverse psychology". Especially considering your earlier defense of Lenglon, who you also outright stated is "scummy". I'd also like to know your responses to griffinpup's inquiries, which have been conveniently requoted here.
How is being defended useful to town and why are you grateful for it? It seems like you're just glad the pressure against you is in part being deflected by Shinigami.
I did not say that defending me was good for town. I said that it was a form of reverse psychology, especially since he had me in his scum list. I was expressing my appreciation a bit wryly, and should have been more clear about that. In addition, since I have publicly declared in the past that I suspect that Shinigami is scum, it should be a given that I want more pressure on him. Why do you think I should feel any other way?
In addition, griffinpup, I find it quite odd that you would fly your own flag of suspicion and pressure on the SS Shinigami_King, but at the same time attack me for the same. I can understand wanting my reasons, but your own questions and statements indicate that you're on the verge of voting for him (if you decide that I am cleaner), as well. Well, there are my reasons, and, as I stated earlier in this post, I also agree with yours.
You fail to mention WHY you find griffinpup's multiple attacks are odd. Are you calling him out on a hypocrite or are you (as your second sentence indicates) just wishing he'd leave you alone and move on?
I think that I mentioned exactly what I found odd. It wasn’t that he was attacking Shinigami, but that he was attacking ME for attacking Shinigami, and very closely to his own attack. I was indicating a level of hypocrisy that I found suspicious, and I also think that I was very clear in pointing that out. You seem to have deliberately missed the point I was trying to make, and I think you’re trying to twist my own words into a whole new meaning. I don’t appreciate that,
Griffionday. Is there some reason you’re so touchy about pup being addressed so pointedly?
I didn't push at the time because I was kind of embarassed at having made the mistake of mislabeling it to begin with. I felt that that error undermined my credibility with the issue, and was so frustrated that I had overlooked such a basic thing that I dropped it in favor of being self-centered.
So you folded under pressure and started playing defensively? I don't know how assertive you are, but typically a "oops, my bad Shinigami. Hey Lenglon, why are you hiding?" would be more productive than turtleing.
I’m actually not that assertive in real life, and I also said that I’m new to this level of focus in a forum environment. I think that that is pretty evident in my earlier posts. I’m also beginning to adjust, and am growing more comfortable with a more assertive approach, as I think I’m displaying rather well, now. I admitted that my earlier actions weren’t very productive, and stated my reasons why. I’m not sure why you’re not satisfied with them, and frankly, I find it quite suspicious and annoying that you’re basically rephrasing my earlier statements as questions and turning them on me again. It seems like poor form, at the least; possibly even a scum tactic.
I have my own opinions. I just want to know what other people think. As far as the slant goes, I think that's entirely in your own head. What language did I use, exactly, to assign value to either side? Wanting to know where you stand doesn't make it slanted, and from what I'm reading in the part you even quoted, what I wrote was a pure opinion question.
The problem isn't that you're taking a side in the debate: it's that you're forcing someone else to do so. By doing that you remove some of the flexibility he has as an observer to analyze the debate and see all possible implications of it; but more damagingly it also allows the parties in the debate a chance to adjust to how the town is perceiving them.
Truthfully this is part of the reason I don't like posting reads unless explicitly requested and for a good reason. I feel it allows scum to go "Oh, okay I'm in the clear for now" or worse "Oh, so I'm drawing heat, better prepare a defense for the attacks that are going to come." It's preventing this that makes reads take so much work to make, as you have to launch your attack right then to keep the element of surprise.
I appreciate your explanation for why you feel that’s poor form. Your reasons are understandable, and I will consider them next time I think to ask that sort of question. I won’t promise that I won’t decide to ask that sort of question in the future, but I now have a new perspective on the sort of information it provides, and the implications of having that public.
So, Demdemeh, if I could kind of wrap up your whole argument about your bad play before, it was just that? You were just playing poorly, acting defensively, and not knowing how to push, and doing this not because you were scum, but because you were merely inexperienced and, for lack of a better word, bad? You've now improved your play substantially, and I do accept this argument for now.
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Thank you for the accurate and concise paraphrasing, griffinpup. That is precisely what I was trying to say.
As far as this whole RangerCado development is concerned, the entire thing is WIFOM. Anything said publicly will alter the behavior of everyone in this scenario in an unpredictable way. We can say what we expect from every outcome, but that will only give the scum the chance to manipulate those expectations. What are the consequences of ignoring his claim? It's exactly as meaningful as everything else at this point, and I'd like to point out that there is even a mafia role cop in the same set of possibilities. So he could be correct, and still be scum. In fact, looking over the list, there is exactly one more chance for a mafia role cop to exist than there is for a town cop. So it could even be answer C: Stupid Mafia Cop. What does that do to the situation?
That last statement about town taking out the power roles just kind of clinches it for me, I think. RangerCado is the scum cop, and GDay is his godfather friend.
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