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[Loud Whispers]

Well yes, I will agree as a general tool the sonic screwdriver is better. But we are measuring a combat situation. We are taking a very specific example where one tool was narrowly designed for the task, and the other is an all purpose tool. In the given task, the specialized tool wins, even if over all the utility tool is better.

As such, a fight between lightlaber and sonic screwdriver is akin to seeing what smashes rocks better. And yes, when it comes to breaking things a rock is better than a computer.

*See automated cement mill.
**Because the screwdriver is fully capable of disabling weapons.

[Neonivek]

Well yes, I will agree as a general tool the sonic screwdriver is better. But we are measuring a combat situation. We are taking a very specific example where one tool was narrowly designed for the task, and the other is an all purpose tool. In the given task, the specialized tool wins, even if over all the utility tool is better.

As such, a fight between lightlaber and sonic screwdriver is akin to seeing what smashes rocks better. And yes, when it comes to breaking things a rock is better than a computer.

The issue however is that the Sonic Screwdriver is so powerful in its utility that it is essentially like having a thousand specialty tools.

Want to shut off a Lightsaber from afar? Sonic screwdriver can do that.

Want to reprogram a spaceship to shoot at its own allies? Sonic screwdriver.

There IS however an exception to the rule.

Anyone can beat up anyone else with the Lightsaber. Only a genius like Dr. Who can use the Sonic screwdriver the way that he does. It is clear that the Dr. Who uses the Sonic screwdriver in ways that weren't its purpose. No one but Dr. Who could use it the way he does.

[Max White]

*See automated cement mill.
**Because the screwdriver is fully capable of disabling weapons.

Once again, claiming computer wins because of mill is like claiming screwdriver wins because of flame thrower.
Also, what then? You have disabled his lightsaber, so now he just beats you to death with the handle. His light saber handle is bigger than your screwdriver, weighs more, better bludgeon. Screwdriver doesn't actually hurt people unless you hit them with it, and the light saber is better for that.

[Neonivek]

so now he just beats you to death with the handle

The sonic screwdriver vibrates your inner ear causing unconsciousness.

[Max White]

Has that ever actually happened? I mean I'm not a devoted enough to have watched every episode, but I have never known it to affect lifeforms in any way. Did it ever do that?

[Neonivek]

Has that ever actually happened? I mean I'm not a devoted enough to have watched every episode, but I have never known it to affect lifeforms in any way. Did it ever do that?

It cannot kill, injure, or maim... amplifying sound to knock someone out seems like fair game.

*Checking all of the Sonic Screwdriver abilities*

Yes it can be used to knock people out... deflect bullets... and shoot sonic beams.

[Max White]

Wait, it has actually been shown in the series to do those things? As in at one point in the series it has actually deflected bullets, made people pass out and shot sonic beams?
Ok, omni-weapon wins. When you hold in your hand the very will of the writers themselves, no challenge is irresolvable.

[Neonivek]

Wait, it has actually been shown in the series to do those things? As in at one point in the series it has actually deflected bullets, made people pass out and shot sonic beams?
Ok, omni-weapon wins. When you hold in your hand the very will of the writers themselves, no challenge is irresolvable.

It is the problem the writers have noticed as well. It is why they have even destroyed the Sonic Screwdriver.

Also the sonic shots only hurt robots not people. Deflect bullets though yeah that was weird.

Honestly it is my guess that it isn't that the Sonic Screwdriver couldn't kill people, but that the Doctor specifically designed it to not be possible. Since even devices based upon it can do that.

[Loud Whispers]

Once again, claiming computer wins because of mill is like claiming screwdriver wins because of flame thrower.

No, it aptly describes how one is infinitely more useful than the other at doing the same tasks when you use them in different ways.

Also, what then? You have disabled his lightsaber, so now he just beats you to death with the handle.

[If they survive the now explosive plasma ball growing from the lightsaber at the speed of light].

Wait, it has actually been shown in the series to do those things? As in at one point in the series it has actually deflected bullets, made people pass out and shot sonic beams?
Ok, omni-weapon wins. When you hold in your hand the very will of the writers themselves, no challenge is irresolvable.

Depends. As the seasons progress it becomes more and more useful since it's always receiving upgrades.
Even the [unlocks things] version would beat the lightsaber in utility and combat purpose, since aforementioned disabling can apply to your light sticks.

[Neonivek]

True they could overload the Lightsaber or bend the plasma

[Max White]

See I recall the Sonic Screwdriver as a thing that you waved at doors to make them open, and sometimes could magically scan for anything.
At no point did it ever over load things and make them explode.

Oh Doctor Who writers, what hath though done? There was a time when the Doctor was about intelligence and humanity, not insanity and gadgets!

[Loud Whispers]

At no point did it ever over load things and make them explode.

The lightsaber makes itself explode.

[Max White]

At no point do I recall seeing a lightsaber explode.
See I'm not sure where this lightsaber + sonic screwdriver = exploding lightsaber comes from, but it sounds a lot like 'This is what I want to happen, so I'll just assert it until people believe it!' kind of thing.

[Neonivek]

At no point do I recall seeing a lightsaber explode.
See I'm not sure where this lightsaber + sonic screwdriver = exploding lightsaber comes from, but it sounds a lot like 'This is what I want to happen, so I'll just assert it until people believe it!' kind of thing.

Look you are dealing with Lightsabers which have VERY confirmed and hard abilities here. While some consider it a Plasma torch I consider it to be a extremely short ranged force field generator.

Then you have the Sonic Screwdriver which has no set limitations put on it except for very abstract things (Hair Dryers and Deadlock seals).

It isn't so much that people are going "No Sonic screwdrivers can't lose... they uhh... blow it up!" that they are going "Look, they can do everything else, why can't they overload the Lightsaber or ruin the frequency of the crystal?"

The Sonic screwdriver is only a few steps below a Green Lantern ring.

Though yes it can overload the lightsaber, it just has to reverse the energy flow.

Mind you the sonic screwdriver doesn't really bug me that much. It is a device from a society that is 10,000 years more advanced then our own to the extent where even at the end of time we don't catch up to them in terms of technology.

[Max White]

This actually feels a little like debating creationists who just insist 'God did it all! He even made the fossils to test us!'
There isn't actually anything that beats the screwdriver, is there?