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Re: Sonic Screwdrivers vs Light Sabres?
« Reply #90 on: May 17, 2013, 03:38:34 am »

At no point do I recall seeing a lightsaber explode.
See I'm not sure where this lightsaber + sonic screwdriver = exploding lightsaber comes from, but it sounds a lot like 'This is what I want to happen, so I'll just assert it until people believe it!' kind of thing.
'The weapon consisted of a blade of pure plasma emitted from the hilt and suspended in a force containment field. The field contained the immense heat of the plasma, protecting the wielder, and allowed the blade to keep its shape.'
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Lightsaber

Disable and plasma go boom

This actually feels a little like debating creationists who just insist 'God did it all! He even made the fossils to test us!'
There isn't actually anything that beats the screwdriver, is there?
No you're just comparing a supercomputer to a rock.

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« Reply #91 on: May 17, 2013, 03:45:03 am »

A magic, plot resolving super computer that can do pretty much anything you ever need it to.
I mean sure it sounds impressive, but you would get better story telling out of a rock. It is deus ex machina in a portable device.

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Re: Sonic Screwdrivers vs Light Sabres?
« Reply #92 on: May 17, 2013, 04:00:55 am »

A magic, plot resolving super computer that can do pretty much anything you ever need it to.
Nah, it doesn't smash rocks.

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« Reply #93 on: May 17, 2013, 04:06:36 am »

If there is anything a sonic screwdriver is actually good for, smashing rocks would be right up on the list. You can use sound to break rocks much more easily than open a door.

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« Reply #94 on: May 17, 2013, 04:07:23 am »

If there is anything a sonic screwdriver is actually good for, smashing rocks would be right up on the list. You can use sound to break rocks much more easily than open a door.

It can close wounds
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Re: Sonic Screwdrivers vs Light Sabres?
« Reply #96 on: May 17, 2013, 04:31:37 am »

And that's how you learned to love the screwdriver

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« Reply #97 on: May 17, 2013, 04:34:59 am »

I actually learnt to love the screwdriver when it just opened doors and really basic stuff.
I hate over powered devices. Makes for lazy story telling.

The Doctor wasn't like this in the past. He wasn't a mad man with a box and magic wand and jedi mind trick paper. He just traveled through time solving peoples various problems in interesting ways, often while confronted with tin cans that had to move along a powered floor. I miss those days.

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Re: Sonic Screwdrivers vs Light Sabres?
« Reply #98 on: May 17, 2013, 04:38:38 am »

I stopped watching after the tenth so the screwdriver's always been this enigmatic box-unlocker thing to me. Never seen it mend wounds or blow up rocks. Ah vell.

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« Reply #99 on: May 17, 2013, 04:41:40 am »

Re Pi=4 (or 8) making a square room a round one...  No, because you'd still not have constant radius.  If Pi!=~3.14 then you live in obviously non-Euclidean space where orbiting a point takes longer (or shorter) than it should.  (Although in a spherically curved geometry, the effective value of Pi varies according to radius, and indeed would end up as zero when r==the UniversalPi*UniversalR...  Ditto in a hyberpolic/poincaré geometry then scale shows differences, with it being locally closer to Pi but on larger scale (and, in some geometries, further from the privileged centre) Pi enlarging.  Part of the reason why we think sending up satellites to do precise laser-interferometry upon each other at long distances could show what curvature of space we might have in the Universe, once we account for local distortions and any gravitational waves that wander along.)

Now talk to me about rooms with Rotational Symmetry of 0.5 ;)  (Sometimes I set up Doom (v1) maps with such rooms, back in the day.  All you need is a central pillar to hid the discontinuity, however thin, and it makes for fun deathmatches!)

The doctor built his own screwdriver, so their was likely only ever one sonic screwdriver, more likely so after the time lords all died. The Daleks also constantly adapt [what's left of them anyways] much like the doctor changes his screwdriver, they would have prepared for their only last enemies [the Doctor and stairs].
I do believe he went off to get a new one, at at least one point.  Although undoubtedly heavy personal customisation occurred for each iteration.
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Re: Sonic Screwdrivers vs Light Sabres?
« Reply #100 on: May 17, 2013, 04:58:46 am »

Points of order on behalf of both 'sides', if they haven't already been made.

Anyone can beat up anyone else with the Lightsaber.
Use of a light-sabre without sufficient Force ability is generally considered a sure-fire route to auto-amputation, or worse.

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It's just "Doctor", or "The Doctor" more formally.  (When meta-canon doesn't slip up, e.g. some of the credits, and also those Peter Cushing films I think.)  Although they are posing the question "Doctor... who?" a lot in the current series.  Possibly part of the meta-Arc that more or less started with the Silence's attempts to intervene in some question/answer thing.
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« Reply #101 on: May 17, 2013, 05:05:34 am »

I thought we already knew the question. A blue head in a box was going on about it.
Isn't it the doctors real name?

Spoiler: In the end it will be less gratifying that you want it to be. It always is with these sort of hyped up mysteries. Always.

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« Reply #102 on: May 17, 2013, 05:19:00 am »

I thought we already knew the question. A blue head in a box was going on about it.
Isn't it the doctors real name?
Well, yes, but I was being circumspect about it... ;)
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I've not been able to work out what they'll be able to do with this (except extend it even further, somehow).  It better be worth it.

I quite like the "A Good Man Goes To War"-raised item, that over almost the entire universe his chosen epithet of "Doctor" (or local and Tardis-translated equivalent sounds/smells/whatever) may have been taken as "Healer" because the man called The Doctor has(/will have) been there at some time in the past and helped people...  Except for a few exceptions like the Church Warrior girl's forest world where it means something more akin to "Warrior", and various 'enemy races' where it generally means Doom of some kind.  (Hey, it's been known to make even Daleks flinch, on hearing it... ;) )
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Re: Sonic Screwdrivers vs Light Sabres?
« Reply #103 on: May 17, 2013, 05:24:50 am »

I will not be worth it. It will never be worth it. There has never been an instance where it was worth it.
Ok so that is a lie. It is sometimes worth it, but rarely. These things are more satisfying when you really have to work for it. When the solution is never given to you on a silver platter, you need to actually understand what is going on without the sudden break down in rationality. It needs to be a case of Xanatos speed chess without ever breaking the rules or exposition.
The problem is that such things aren't nice for the average viewer. If you can keep up it is awesome, but otherwise it is just confusion. As such, they will never do it, because it isn't commercial.

There is no way the answer will be worth it.

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Re: Sonic Screwdrivers vs Light Sabres?
« Reply #104 on: May 17, 2013, 05:35:04 am »

I thought we already knew the question. A blue head in a box was going on about it.
Isn't it the doctors real name?

Spoiler: In the end it will be less gratifying that you want it to be. It always is with these sort of hyped up mysteries. Always.
If it's done right we'll never know his name, we'll never know what he says to his dying companions, it'll always be a mystery.
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