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Can anyone tell me if meditation actually works?
« on: May 14, 2013, 12:20:15 am »

As the topic says. I am curious about meditation and practices thereof, and I've been reading a few books and sites online dealing with it. Mostly, however, the message they give is almost always about 'relaxation' or 'achieving a higher state of being'. I'm not so concerned with becoming like a Zen monk or anything, but I do understand the importance of relaxing and letting go of stress. I'm also not looking for a silver bullet or a one-size-fits-all solution; I am aware that things like this require actual dedication over a long period of time.

What I'd like to know, is if this can lead to practical, positive things for the mind; like being able to concentrate better, or nurturing creativity so as to do things like writing a novel with much less difficulty or stress. I find that I'm not absorbing details or seeing all sides of a situation too well, and I don't usually think ahead that far either. I don't feel like I'm properly 'aligned', I guess... It feels like I've kinda lost touch with myself, what is most important to me, my long-term goals, etc. I don't think I have any serious problems either now or forthcoming, and I'll probably be able to figure out things in the long term as I go... But I really think that I could use a bit more consciousness of things in my life, as well as a better ability to analyze, comprehend and decide in situations so that I can feel more effective and in control in general.

Can anyone here tell me, in their own experience, if practicing meditation has led to a marked increase in overall mental ability? (And was it worth the time? xD)

(P.S: I know this could use more description and all, but I'm really tired right now; just thought I'd put this out there, at least till tomorrow)

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Re: Can anyone tell me if meditation actually works?
« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2013, 01:26:00 am »

can lead to practical, positive things for the mind; like being able to concentrate better, or nurturing creativity so as to do things like writing a novel with much less difficulty or stress.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Research_on_meditation

"...meditation induces a host of biochemical and physical changes in the body collectively referred to as the "relaxation response".[18] The relaxation response includes changes in metabolism, heart rate, respiration, blood pressure and brain chemistry."

"...during meditation, physiological signals show that there is a decrease in respiration and increase in heart rate and blood oxygen saturation levels."

"...may slow the deterioration of the brain as a part of the natural aging process."

"...change in brain thickness depended upon the amount of time spent in meditation. The increase in thickness ranged between .004 and .008 inches."

"...concluded that "meditating may improve the integrity and efficiency of certain connections in the brain" through an increase in their number and robustness..."

"...reduces negative emotions and neuroticism, as well as assisting learning and memory..."

"...the overall evidence supports that TM modestly lowers blood pressure."

"...sleep duration in long-term experienced meditators was lower than in non-meditators and general population norms, with no apparent decrements in vigilance."

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Can anyone here tell me, in their own experience, if practicing meditation has
led to a marked increase in overall mental ability?

It's difficult to give you a clear before and after comparison since I've been meditating since I was 6. However, I can give you examples of things I'm able to do that I attribute to meditation that apparently many people are unable to do:

 * Sometimes people play a game where they tell you to "not think of X. Haha, now you're thinking about X and you can't stop." Except that, I can not think about X.
 * I can consciously release anger. As in, something makes me angry...I decide to not be angry anymore, so I stop being angry. Not by "pretending" of "suppressing" it, but rather by letting it go.
 * Focus on something an remain focused on it. For example, try to think about elephants for 10 seconds. Picture in your mind an elephant. Think of elephant. Do that for 10 seconds, without thinking about other things and suddenly realizing that you're not thinking about elephant anymore. Many people can't do that.
 * Sit in one place for hours not doing anything without being uncomfortable. Lots of people can't do that for minutes, let alone hours.
 * Consistently remember my dreams. Some people can do this. Many can't.

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I know this could use more description and all, but I'm really tired right now

It's easier to answer specific questions, but hopefully the above will be useful. As a simple piece of common sense...if you want to become better able to focus, it makes sense to practice focusing, right?

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I could use a bit more consciousness of things in my life

My impression is that many people aren't entirely self conscious. For example, when you brush your teeth, are you thinking about brushing your teeth or are you running on autopilot? When you drive, are you consciously thinking about the driving, or are you running on autopilot? When you talk to people are you consciously observing yourself having a conversation, or are you running on autopilot?

Lots of people spend the majority of their lives on autopilot. If you want to be more conscious of your life, it makes sense to practice being conscious of your life.

Sitting in your chair right now, are you aware of your breathing? Oh sure...now you are, now that I've pointed it out. Are you aware of the sensation of your feet on the ground? You probably weren't. That sensation was there all along, but you weren't paying attention to it. How many other things are going on that you're not paying attention to?

For lots of people, I think their own mind and emotions are part of that list of things they're not paying attention to. Meditation can be a tool to help you become more aware of your self.

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Re: Can anyone tell me if meditation actually works?
« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2013, 01:30:18 am »

Meditation works in the sense that strategies for mental focus are good and reducing stress and letting you think more clearly. But yeah, anyone who tries to sell you on that "higher being" bullshit should be immediately dismissed.
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Re: Can anyone tell me if meditation actually works?
« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2013, 04:04:58 am »

Hey,

I'm also interested in that subject and the things LordBucket pointed out do seem useful to me, so how does one actually learn to meditate? As far as I know, meditation requires a clear mind or is a tool to clear ones mind, but I find that really difficult. My mind always seems to be clouded with a lot of I stuff I actually want to get rid off every once in a while. Could anybody give me some advice? or suggest a book or something that can help me teach myself to meditate? I'm willing to put some effort into this, because this has been bothering me for a while.
Thanks in advance :-)
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« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2013, 03:08:44 pm »

From my own experiences, meditation actually "works". But as other have pointed out, it's kinda hard to exactly describe the differences/improvements you'll experience. Regular meditation exercises are mostly useful for getting rid of stress and generally calming down. You probably could compare it to good sleep; you'll be able to rest and relax. There are also some physiological benefits like better/deeper breathing (your body will need less oxygen) and lower blood pressure, but LordBucket already explained a lot of them.

Hey,

I'm also interested in that subject and the things LordBucket pointed out do seem useful to me, so how does one actually learn to meditate? As far as I know, meditation requires a clear mind or is a tool to clear ones mind, but I find that really difficult. My mind always seems to be clouded with a lot of I stuff I actually want to get rid off every once in a while. Could anybody give me some advice? or suggest a book or something that can help me teach myself to meditate? I'm willing to put some effort into this, because this has been bothering me for a while.
Thanks in advance :-)

I would suggest you to try out "Raja Yoga". It's an Indian meditation technique. I'm sure you could find a course/seminar near you that practices it.
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« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2013, 06:02:36 pm »

I did Tamarkoz (Sufi meditation) for 1.5 hours a week this semester.  So, after having done some very minimal practice, I noticed:

a. That I felt a lot more secure in myself and had better self-esteem
b. Felt more compassionate towards others, was more trusting and kinder
c. Was significantly less stressed about things that would normally make me Very Stressed
d. Less prone to depression and anxiety
e. Could concentrate more easily, and made better decisions
f. Way more ability to take care of myself

You may experience less of an effect.  I suspect the one on me was so large because, well, I suffer from some three or four professionally untreated mental illnesses, and getting marginally more ability to concentrate and relax let me put through about a billion changes I'd been struggling with over the past three years.

So yeah.  Your mileage may vary, but I'm a lot happier and I'm pretty sure it's the meditation class, seeing as for sheer volume of shitty stuff happening this past nine months has been the absolute pits.
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Re: Can anyone tell me if meditation actually works?
« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2013, 10:25:07 pm »

Could anybody give me some advice? or suggest a book or something that can help me teach myself to meditate?

...sure, but "meditation" is a rather large umbrella. There are many techniques, many schools, many philosophies. To give you an analogy, imagine if you'd come in and asked if doing athletics actually works and then asked for advice on how to get started. Well...you could sign up at a gym, you could jog at nights, you could start playing soccer with the kids around your neughborhood, you could lift weights, you could run, you could play sports, you could focus on strength training or endurance or stretching or distance running or sprinting...you'd have a lot of options. And probably any of them would provide benefits.

What do you want to do?

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how does one actually learn to meditate?

At the most basic level, meditation is the deliberate and consscious direction of mental focus. For example, think about bunny rabbits. Imagine bunny rabbits. Close your eyes and see them hopping.

Congratulations. You're meditating.

Now...try this: close your eyes and imagine a single bunny rabbit, not moving. Fix in your mind that image of a bunny rabbit.

Incidentally, let us now make a simply observation. You, reading this, right now were probably not paying attention to the hum that your computer is making. You would not paying attentino to your breathing. You were not paying attention to the sensation of your feet on the floor, or your butt on your chair, or your blinking or breathing or any of countless other things going on in the room you're in.

Pay attention to those things. All of them, and all at once.

Fix that in your mind, and do not lose it by thinking about only one thing. Don't be distracted by something somebody said to you yesterday. Don't be reminded of where you're planning to be tomorrow, or ponder what you'll have for dinner tonight.

Focus on right now

Be aware of your breathing, but be also aware of the sensations in your body, the sounds in the room, be aware of your vision...everything you see, hear and feel...everything you can observe...be aware of it. But don't think "about" it. Don't look at something and become lost in thoughts about it, where it came from, how much you like it, what you'll be doing with it tomorrow, or whatever. The primary goal is to not become distracted by your own mind from whatever it is you're focusing your mind on.

Most meditation techniques are variations on these basic exercises, with the most significant differences being the "what" you are or aren't focusing on, and whether and how much emphasis there is on breathing while you do this.

For a simple breathing excercise, try the Anthony Robbins 10 day breathing challenge. Three times a day, for ten breaths, inhale/hold/exhale at a ratio of 1/4/2. For example, inhale for 7 seconds, hold your breath for 28, exhale for 14. Do that times, three times a day, for ten days. There are other cadences and more complicated techniques, but this is a very simple one that tends to give immediately observable results.


As to "what" to focus on...again, like "what kind of athletics shall I try" there are a lot of possible answers. Focusing simply on your breathing is popular for beginners. Focusing on specific points of your body is another. If you do Raja Yoga you might be asked to focus on the sun, the pit of your throat, your heart, conceptualizations of strength, or any of a number of things. The sound of Om is another popular choice. Lengthy sentence-long mantras, buddhist mudras, yoga postures....any of a number of things.

Which you choose is really up to you. I do, however, advise choosing one and generally sticking with it. If you focus on the sun one day, your heart the next, then bunny rabbits the after that...that's not all that different from letting your mind wander as it will from topic to topic, though simply over days rather than minutes. Or to go back to the athletics examples, it doesn't really matter if you choose to lift weights every day or go jogging every day, either will benefit you. But if you lift weights one day, then go jogging the next, then play soccer the day after that, and bounce every day to a different activity, you're unlikely to get particularly good at any of them. Meditation can be like that.

Incidentally, regarding yoga postures, it is a very different thing focusing your mind in a dark, quiet room with your eyes closed than it is focusing your mind while contorting your body in a difficult yoga posture, in pain and in a room full of other people. Or even focusing on something while a television plays in the background. When learning to focus, it is worth considering the difficulty of the environment you choose. There's something to be said for meditation alone in silence, and there's something to be said for meditating while on a crowded subway. Have you ever had a paper cut or a bruise, or some injury that you didn't even notice because you were so focused on something else? Have you ever played a game for so long that you didn't notice you were hungry? With practice it is possible to learn to deliberately engage this level of focus. If you want to meditate only at night, in bed with no sound and the lights out...that's fine. But there is something to be said for being able to focus under loud, crowded, stressful situations too.



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« Reply #7 on: May 16, 2013, 12:38:19 am »

On a very mechanical level the mind has many processes that it runs on a constant basis.

One of the uses of meditation is to take a process that is instantaneous and intentionally drag it out and manipulate it.

The brain is a machine after all.
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Re: Can anyone tell me if meditation actually works?
« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2013, 07:07:09 am »

First I'd like to thank you for your answer LordBucket, it contains a lot of useful information. Thank you!

Secondly, you asked me what I wanted to do/to achieve. This is quite easy answered, I want to improve my focus and concentration. Whenever I'm doing something that involves thinking to a certain degree my mind tends to drift off. Even into things not even remotely relevant to the thing I try to focus on at that moment. I find this quite annoying and I am hoping to get rid of this by training my mind through meditating. Secondly my mind seems awefully clouded at times. Especially when I've got nothing particular to do or am trying to sleep. I often lie awake in my bed thinking of god knows what.
So in short words: I'm trying to get my mind "back under control" and I want to prevent it from drifting away everytime.
I hope I was able to explain what I'm trying to achieve and that you can give me some advice.

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Pay attention to those things. All of them, and all at once.

Fix that in your mind, and do not lose it by thinking about only one thing. Don't be distracted by something somebody said to you yesterday. Don't be reminded of where you're planning to be tomorrow, or ponder what you'll have for dinner tonight.

Focus on right now
This. This also sums it up quite good. I think, if I achieved the trait of focussing on right now and nothing else without alowing my mind to wander of, I could also focus on other useful stuff again.
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« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2013, 01:01:43 pm »

I'm a big fan of mindfulness meditation. It works (evidence)(more)(more)(even more)(google scholar is your friend).

I would recommend starting with guided meditations such as these from MIT, you might also want to read this article. I recently got this book because after meditating inconsistently for about a year, I want to fully develop the habit.
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« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2013, 04:29:14 pm »

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Pay attention to those things. All of them, and all at once.

Wait a minute... that is a trance induction!

Created by the fact that the human mind cannot concentrate on many things all at once.
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« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2013, 04:38:26 pm »

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Wait a minute... that is a trance induction!

AKA: Meditation.
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« Reply #12 on: May 16, 2013, 04:57:22 pm »

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Wait a minute... that is a trance induction!

AKA: Meditation.

Which sort of tells me that Meditation doesn't work for me. I am too resistant.

Also no that isn't me showing off. Some people are incredibly resistant to forms of trance to the point where it is outright impossible.
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« Reply #13 on: May 16, 2013, 06:02:27 pm »

*shrug*

And I meditate because I'm resistant to psychotherapy.
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« Reply #14 on: May 16, 2013, 06:03:28 pm »

*shrug*

And I meditate because I'm resistant to psychotherapy.

Curse this world and the complex inner workings of the mind!
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