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Re: Dwarf Fortress Furries
« Reply #135 on: May 13, 2013, 11:44:39 am »

There's a big difference between wanting to bang an anime cat [with drawn human features, and human hair] and a real horse. I havne't found many furries who profess to like both, is my point. Dunno. Maybe a fantasy since they cannot take the step to real beastiality? Which is fine in my book.
Ah, edits came after I posted. Yeah, there's definitely distinct groups in there, between those actually interested in animals qua animals and those strictly into anthro/anthropo -morphic stuff, without too terribly much overlap (at least from what I've seen). Not to say no overlap, just... not much.
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Re: Dwarf Fortress Furries
« Reply #136 on: May 13, 2013, 11:47:44 am »

A good portion of it might just be that humans are boring.
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Re: Dwarf Fortress Furries
« Reply #137 on: May 13, 2013, 11:50:38 am »

I don't think it's necessarily bad, but I don't think it's good either.  It's neutral leaning bad depending on what you let the internet drag you into.  There's a difference between a supportive community and a hugbox.  Supportive communities don't drive you insane.
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Re: Dwarf Fortress Furries
« Reply #138 on: May 13, 2013, 11:54:04 am »

He means it's boring, stupid, and annoying to derail a conversation with comments about how the conversation hasn't caused a flamewar yet.

No, I think he's saying it's boring this hasn't turned into a discussion between furries, but a discussion about furries by non-furries.
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Re: Dwarf Fortress Furries
« Reply #139 on: May 13, 2013, 12:03:55 pm »

I don't think it's necessarily bad, but I don't think it's good either.  It's neutral leaning bad depending on what you let the internet drag you into.  There's a difference between a supportive community and a hugbox.  Supportive communities don't drive you insane.
Still don't see a problem until someone gets hurt. There's a case to be made for self harm I suppose, but someone identifying as a pizza isn't worth your attention until they try to put themselves in an oven.


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These sorts of discussions tend to infuriate me since they remind me so much of elementary school when people picked on the weird kid "because he's weird." Someone being strange is alone never a good reason to harass or mock anyone.
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Re: Dwarf Fortress Furries
« Reply #140 on: May 13, 2013, 12:04:18 pm »

He means it's boring, stupid, and annoying to derail a conversation with comments about how the conversation hasn't caused a flamewar yet.

No, I think he's saying it's boring this hasn't turned into a discussion between furries, but a discussion about furries by non-furries.
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Re: Dwarf Fortress Furries
« Reply #141 on: May 13, 2013, 12:09:28 pm »

I don't think it's necessarily bad, but I don't think it's good either.  It's neutral leaning bad depending on what you let the internet drag you into.  There's a difference between a supportive community and a hugbox.  Supportive communities don't drive you insane.
Still don't see a problem until someone gets hurt. There's a case to be made for self harm I suppose, but someone identifying as a pizza isn't worth your attention until they try to put themselves in an oven.


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These sorts of discussions tend to infuriate me since they remind me so much of elementary school when people picked on the weird kid "because he's weird." Someone being strange is alone never a good reason to harass or mock anyone.

That's why I said it was neutral.  As I said in my original post on here, I don't have  a problem with furries.  I still think the internet is 90% of why furry exists as an organized subculture, and I used the word "deviant" with no intended negative connotation.  I just don't see anything necessarily good about the kind of unconditionally validating communities that build up on the internet. 
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« Reply #142 on: May 13, 2013, 12:12:51 pm »

Having participated in such communities, they are good for the mental health of most members and extremely detrimental to that of the already quite overly dependant or dissociative.
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Re: Dwarf Fortress Furries
« Reply #143 on: May 13, 2013, 12:14:17 pm »

That's why I said it was neutral.  As I said in my original post on here, I don't have  a problem with furries.  I still think the internet is 90% of why furry exists as an organized subculture, and I used the word "deviant" with no intended negative connotation.  I just don't see anything necessarily good about the kind of unconditionally validating communities that build up on the internet. 
Well as your picture demonstrated a few posts back, many communities wouldn't exist without the internet. Hence, some good has arisen.

If your point is solely about "unconditionally validating" communities though, I really think you should direct your attention toward political ones. Those cause damage; otherkin/etc echo chambers aren't worth your time.
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Re: Dwarf Fortress Furries
« Reply #144 on: May 13, 2013, 01:21:42 pm »

Furries are boring. Basically just Xenos that can't be mustered to break from preconceived notions and mainstream sensibilities. Pfff, I say to them. Pfffffft. If you need more evidence, just look at how fast the furry fandom jumped all over pokemon. Basically, it's a fandom characterized by a serious dearth of creativity.

On the other hand, I love the idea of non-humanoid intelligent creatures, the potential for animal traits to bring in a wide variety of preconceptions to bear, either to support a character design, or to mislead in preparation for a subversion. I'm fascinated by the idea of both human extremes as norms (which is what much of the spectrum classified as "furry" is, more or less, in disguise), and the narrative potential of role-playing beings that are intelligent but not-quite-human in some fundamental way. I like making use of the historical cultural associations humans have created for animals, playing with those tropes to guide and twist expectations, and the large works of mythology and important literature and cultural milestones that have made heavy use of this history. I'm fascinated by costume design, especially masks, both in terms of mechanical construction and in altering the face one displays the ability it has to fundamentally change many social interactions in ways you wouldn't quite expect. I especially love the sense of play that seems to be a central component to a lot of furryesque concepts, the feeling of dwelling in a place of imagination where boundaries are less clearly defined and the possibilities not so mundane.

So I can fully understand the appeal of the furry fandom as a whole, where it comes from and why it exists, and there's quite a lot to it that I'm more than happy to involve myself in. But overall, I find it (much like the anime fandom in many places) lazy and unambitious - to intent on coasting on it's own norms and inertia to really break new ground in interesting ways, and too keen to be happy with knockoffs and derivative works that do nothing but take away from the original. This doesn't mean there are plenty of examples of quality furry work - anthropomorphic humanoids have a long history of being powerful tools for much the same reason I explained above. But, just like in computer science, something being a good tool with many interesting possibilities doesn't really make the fandom that tends to spring up around it any less tiresome.

When you start supplanting your identity with conceptual or group loyalty, you've got issues, whether it's defining yourself as a furry, a Ruby fanatic, a homestuck, a Democrat or a teabagger.

So do I like a lot of furry stuff? Yes, I do. Do I consider myself a furry? No. As a label, that's constraining, confining, and inaccurate.
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Re: Dwarf Fortress Furries
« Reply #145 on: May 13, 2013, 01:31:50 pm »

*snip*-and am one of the few people who think Cows are cute :D
I'm curious to see just how true that is. It's also rather tempting to branch a new topic out on that subject. And not just for the sake of my avatar, I swear.

Furries are boring. Basically just Xenos that can't be mustered to break from preconceived notions and mainstream sensibilities.
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Re: Dwarf Fortress Furries
« Reply #146 on: May 13, 2013, 01:35:24 pm »

I just think of WH40K Xenos. Cleanse the Xenos, burn the Witch, purge the Heretic.
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Re: Dwarf Fortress Furries
« Reply #147 on: May 13, 2013, 01:36:49 pm »

Consent is a big thing for me, to the extent that i no longer use the internet for porn because it's inevitably too close to prostitution. One of my biggest points of fucking anger, is how we treat the other intelligent, and otherwise, species on this planet. There used to be more then one kind of human. I find furries fairly harmless, but the lack of consent, as well as the fact that there can be no such thing as an anthromorphic animal, are severe sticking points. Even if they match our level of sapience, it will not be in the same way, and i refuse to make objects of desire into something they're not. On the other hand, i have more problems with BDSM, so take what you will from that. Edit: I suppose the latter is more arguable, given attraction to pain, or the psychological aspects of which i know little. Still, the latter appears to be a focus, and can be questionable.
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Re: Dwarf Fortress Furries
« Reply #149 on: May 13, 2013, 01:46:22 pm »

First: Stuff in spoilers still loads in your browser.  So you should link NWS stuff really.  I'm pretty sure no-one checks my internet usage too closely but I'd prefer not to be called into anyone's office to explain why I was loading pictures of foxpeople of varying sexiness.

To be fair, Leafsnail, Taz clearly has strong feelings about the distinction too, wanting to distance "Cat Girl" from the concept of "Furry" as much as possible. If I had to guess, it's because there's a lot of baggage built up around the idea of "Attractive Furry Characters" being taboo, yet he finds cat girls cute. Personally, I don't see the difference; it's still part of the "People with Animal Traits" continuum, and part of what I'm trying to quantify here; at what point do these things cease to be "okay" for us, as individuals?
I guess.  I'd say it's more about degree than the specific animal involved though.

Fun fact: a girl I went to school with wore cat ears every day.  Somehow this fact didn't register in my brain until having known her for 8 months.

For example, you have something like Strike Witches:
Which is literally just animal ears and butts everywhere, and the majority seem to be cool with that on a sexual level. Probably even prefer it for the inclusion of animal ears and tails. (Which are attached to the girls in questions, not accessories.)
I think there is an entirely separate issue with Strike Witches

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