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[RAM]

Well, hrmm, if we get compact, we will need a ship for it, I am not getting any inspiration just yet... But a surface ship, land vehicle, and airship would all have their uses...

The hydra is outdated, did we get an updated version yet? I am not sure it GVS-14 would really be a long-term anti-air defence, even for mobile forces, but it might suffice...

I will probably be proposing a 320mm mobile howitzer again, probably with an emphasis upon improving our materials.
And maybe an updated light tank, although I have no idea when the latest badger happened or what it is, if I am happy with that then I might propose a review of our basic infantry kit, try to get some better containers for our land troops, or possibly a new outfit, something durable that doesn't cause disease, irritation, or exacerbate injuries... But we probably won't be getting an ergonomics engineer, which would limit the advantages there. Hrmm, if the research facility comes up with something I will probably jump on taht...

[tryrar]

Well if it makes you feel better, I was thinking of proposing a redesign of the hydra to replace the patriotisms with the GVS-14s. A very accurate 14mm machine gun versus a faster-firing 8mm machuine gun, I think the 14mm wins(plus I'm reasonably sure it has a longer effective range AND the Hydra SPAAGs can even be useful against armor if they encounter them!)

Edit: Actually, I'll go whole-hog and create an API-blowback 20mm cannon that can be mounted on both Hydras and future aircraft(note that the API-blowback method DOES preclude mounting on an interrupter gear for firing through a propeller, do to requiring firing with an open bolt)

[Taricus]

Eh, A 14mm MG won't exactly be effective for our infantry. I can support it  if it's for vehicles only.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

Quad 8mm machine-gun is quite effective AA weapon for the era, upgrade can't hurt but can wait few turns

In fact one of the things I plan to propose = develop automatic 25mm gun, for newer AA vehicle\light tank ,  interceptors (to knock turreted bombers fast) and   ships.

[tryrar]

Here's the preliminary proposals I've decided on:

GVS-20 "Jackhammer". A 20mm autocannon using the Advanced Primer Ignition(API) blowback method of operation, prioritizing ballistic capabilities over rate of fire. the cartridge should be around 20x110mm with a rebated rim. Thought should be given on keeping the overall weight of the weapon down in order to be mounted in a wide variety of configurations(including aircraft).

Gorgon. An updated and upgraded Hydra turret mounting twin Jackhammers and improved aiming sights for attacking aircraft at any altitude the Jackhammers can reach. If possible, care should be taken to ensure the Gorgon is still mountable on the Badgers, as well as being mountable on the K-1s.

So, what do you guys think? Suggestions, ideas, corrections?

[Ukrainian Ranger]

I prefer 25mm over 20mm  because it's a bigger step from 14mm machinegun and 25mm is better for my light tank idea

Also, I dislike twin turret (even one 25mm gun is way heavier than four 8mm machineguns)  and would prefer faster single turret that can aim way faster\ weight less and have much better traverse. Also, I'd switch all badgers for that new turret. 25mm is well enough for a light support tank, the role the badgers will play

Also, as many tanks do, that 25mm gun can be paired with 14mm machine-gun

I may propose that:

1. Develop automatic 25mm AA gun, prioritizing power of the shell to rate of fire, but still have rate of fire adequate for an automatic gun (dislike giving actual engineering decisions like API)
 
2. Develop new tank based on Badger Chassis. Use all experience gained in service and combat to improve it's suspension and serviceability. Try to reduce weight without reducing armor. Try to improve  it's ability to cross river. Try to improve it's other terrain abilities.  Develop new comfortable, fast turret for it with 25mm gun paired with 14mm machinegun, it should aim really fast, have two sets of sights (for ground and air targets) and great traverse. Additional armament - two 8mm machineguns for self protection

A. Switch all production in light tank factory from Badgers\Hydras to new tank (name?) . But leave some hydra turret production to supply the docks

That will be a great light vehicle that can serve us for years. While it will need to avoid heavier tanks, in all other roles it's very good

[tryrar]

Eh, I was going for something similar to the Oerlikon. I'm still in favor of a 20mm cannon with a large cartridge(for higher velocities to mitigate the damage loss for a smaller caliber), but I'm not too married to it to argue for 20mm if 25mm is preferred, though I'd still push for a twin turret. We can offset the firing of the guns to increase overall rate of fire.

As for a name for a better light tank chassis, I'd go for M2 Ferret(with the AA turret being the Gorgon)

[Ukrainian Ranger]

Yep, I noticed that it's yet another - copy great real world stuff.
You should look at what we have already

Real world 20mm role is mostly cowered by our outrageously powerful 14mm machineguns.  (really our fighters can do just fine with those only) 25mm will be more - kill bomber from safer distance\ be not useless against light armor\carry two  times more explosives for infantry than 20mm gun

We want light, fast tank and more importantly - fast turret that can engage both air and land targets. Kinda hard to do that with twin mount
also, as 25mm, should carry something like 2 times  more punch (simple math), one is preferred

And I want to note that those two proposals, turret and (20m)25mm gun may be better in different turns

[tryrar]

Yeah, like I said, I wasn't married to the concept enough to dispute you on this. I know I know, I've complained about copying real world stuff as well, but the Oerlikon was a pretty good AA weapon, so I thought having that would be a good idea. However, you've made a case for the 25mm. The plus side of a 25mm is that we combine the good things of a 20mm and a 30mm

So, Revised proposal:

GVS-25 Jackhammer. Develop a 25mm autocannon, prioritizing ballistic characteristics while still allowing a rate of fire adequate for an automatic gun. Give some thought to keeping the overall weight of the weapon down to allow for mounting in a wide variety of situations

Gorgon. An updated and upgraded Hydra turret mounting a single 25mm jackhammer, with improved compound sights for attacking both air and ground targets, while keeping the fast-tracking powered turret capabilities. Try to allow for continued mounting on Badgers, but if that proves impossible, mount them on the back of a KTT-1 and/or on a K-1 for now

[Ukrainian Ranger]

I like my tank version more. why?

I want to go straight to developing badger II armed with 25mm gun. Turret and vehicle should work in conjunction and fit each other, thus developed jointly. Also Badger chassis is really dated and definitely deserves some modernization

Mounting that light weapon on K-1 chassis is a clear waste and truck based version is a meh

[tryrar]

Also a point. I'll just propose the Jackhammer for now then. We can argue mountings later

[Ukrainian Ranger]

I suggest you to propose the gun this turn and whatever based on that next turn. We can't know how will the gun develop, it may be faulty, unsuited for the task, not ready or even not voted, compromising the second project

Current Badgers\Hydras\Fighter armaments\Naval AA is enough for at least one more year. When we'll get the gun, we'll introduce it into new designs

After all our air-force is our most advanced branch and I fail to see how Capia will be allowed to attack our marching forces from air.

[tryrar]

True. Our Zephyrs and Stormfronts would swat any fighter they encounter from the air(plus the Zephyrs are perfect ground attack craft for attacking infantry and light targets with its GVS-14s and bomb mounts)

[Ukrainian Ranger]

What I plan to propose next turn

Use unfinished airship aircraft carrier design and re-purpose it as flying headquaters

Fit radar in it. Fit powerful radio room. Add room for HQ stuff. Add machnegun turrets for it's protection. (but it should be protected by fighters, always), add equipment to allow it to dock helicopters.  ( to supply airship midair, mostly) Have gilders attached to it as the emergency escape option for the staff, abandon aircraft carrier role because that's not viable for heavier aircrafts

Our very own low tech AWACS

[tryrar]

Lol, that is very awesome UR! I'd vote for that!

Edit: Call it the LZC-1 Olympus