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[Ukrainian Ranger]

Few more strategy thoughts

Intelligence report on Morovia:
Morovia has expanded submarine construction to at least 6000t. Their new Tank Destroyer is in the same class as our K-1, and shares some common patterns with the Capian tank, one was obviously based off the other. They have small surface fleet of vessels capable of supplying their subs for longer range patrols, including at least 1 ship of Capian design. They have a new twin engine fighter, and a new 3 engine bomber. Security around their naval yards has increased dramatically. There is no identifiable Capian military presence within Morovia, but they are
obviously trading.

Below I am assuming that we do attack Capia:

Morovia is clearly going unlimited submarine war route and outproduces us Navywise... But, I am not sure that we really need to counter that by new designs, our goal is to bring the game to land and into the air, that's what we should aim for
Also, as they overconcentrate on sub warfare and likely have no good ASW ships, we can play the same game with them by making our own subs
Also, note that they mostly damage our larger ships, not sunk them. popular devotions we lose on other hand are quite expandable, while we do sunk quite a lot of their subs.
Of cause when Capia will enter the war we'll have to stick to our waters, under protection of 320mm coastals, mines and airforce
Workers, or any other new ships will not change the balance much

I kinda like that Morovia went twin engineer route for fighters, while they get longer range and, maybe,  more armaments, we will counter that with our more nimble fighters and long range will have no great value if we'll start fighting over Capian terrotory not going into the transsea war... In such combat more numerous Zephyrs should have advantage (and I am sure that Zephyrs are much cheaper than 2enigined fighters)
If we'll develop 4.2 I suspect that those twin engined fighters will be an easy target for our dogfighters, while Zephyrs will switch to fighter\CAS role
Morovian bombers are quite worrisome, but I am sure we can stop them without much trouble if we will not neglect the threat

4engined bombers would be nice thing to have to keep Morovians busy and not sending too much aurforce to aid Capia

[Taricus]

Okay, Ebbor? That cannon... It's just not possible. At all. The projectile won't even leave the barrel!

[3_14159]

Some thoughts of mine:

Of cause when Capia will enter the war we'll have to stick to our waters, under protection of 320mm coastals, mines and airforce
Workers, or any other new ships will not change the balance much

Agreed.

I kinda like that Morovia went twin engineer route for fighters, while they get longer range and, maybe,  more armaments, we will counter that with our more nimble fighters and long range will have no great value if we'll start fighting over Capian terrotory not going into the transsea war... In such combat more numerous Zephyrs should have advantage (and I am sure that Zephyrs are much cheaper than 2enigined fighters)

Agreed. Both the Zephyr and the new, unnamed.

If we'll develop 4.2 I suspect that those twin engined fighters will be an easy target for our dogfighters, while Zephyrs will switch to fighter\CAS role

That's kind of why I want 4.2 able to mount bombs - it doesn't really diminish their fighter ability, but they afterwards can bomb front lines.

4engined bombers would be nice thing to have to keep Morovians busy and not sending too much aurforce to aid Capia

Here, I disagree. While they would be nice, every one of them takes capacity away from fighters and CAS, something we - in my opinion - need much more. A longer-ranged tactical bomber for use against supply lines would be nice, though.

Another worrying point:

Their new Tank Destroyer is in the same class as our K-1, and shares some common patterns with the Capian tank, one was obviously based off the other.

As the Capian tanks are slower than use, we can just hope their is, too. We will need an airforce or better tanks (which won't be produced for years) to decisively and quickly break through their lines.

Fake-Edit: Actually, the cannon is possible, but not practical. See the V-3, for example. However, it is fixed, expensive and of only limited non-psychological impact.

[Taricus]

Well, I DID put in a proposal for some better tanks, but no-one is voting for them at the moment >.>

[10ebbor10]

Fake-Edit: Actually, the cannon is possible, but not practical. See the V-3, for example. However, it is fixed, expensive and of only limited non-psychological impact.

It is the V-3, actually. Just fitted so that it can use rounds we've already designed.

However, do note that we never saw the real impact the weapons could've had. By the time they were deployed, the war was basically decided. Supply chains were ruined, bunkers overrun or destroyed, and a whole lot of other problems.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

BTW 7 is far from realistic, too. 90mm armor at 2 kms ? Common.

And 6( panther in 1932 is quite optimistic, too)

Besides we don't really  need better tanks or AT guns right now

That's kind of why I want 4.2 able to mount bombs - it doesn't really diminish their fighter ability, but they afterwards can bomb front lines.

That remind me Hitler and me262 "bomber"   It's a high speed, nimble dogfighter. But mounts are in by default, I am sure

I'd not worry about newer TDs, as those are match for our K1-s, and making anything more advanced than K-1 will be either expensive, or unreliable or both. I prefer just more tank

[3_14159]

The T-34/Sherman approach is possible, true.

    That's kind of why I want 4.2 able to mount bombs - it doesn't really diminish their fighter ability, but they afterwards can bomb front lines.

That remind me Hitler and me262 "bomber"   It's a high speed, nimble dogfighter. But mounts are in by default, I am sure

Compared to Hitler I'm a bit less mad. I hope.
The primary role is still supposed to be a fighter. However, if they suppress the fighters or the tactical situation needs fighter-bombers, it should be able to attack the ground - something like the P-51.
If mounts are included, I support 4.2 wholeheartedly.

[Brood]

I'll take my thank you now for countering the suicide charge into a well prepared enemy .

[Ukrainian Ranger]

What suicide charge?

[10ebbor10]

Btw, considering we appear to be going for a plan in which airships play a fairly prominent role, we might want to ensure that the things get finished and build. Just mentioning it.

[Brood]

The head on armored assault into Capia, if we'd done it without that info it would of be a total disaster.

[10ebbor10]

The head on armored assault into Capia, if we'd done it without that info it would of be a total disaster.

IIRC, that's the plan for this turn too.

[Brood]

But now we have the information to know what we are fighting first and prepare, rather then running into a fight we knew nothing about.

I suggest somebody design a large monowing plane with no armor, no weapons but good engines, add clip slots onto the wings and we can stick 10-20 infantry with chutes on the wings, do aerial scouting first to find an open area with no nearby people then night drop people with parachutes behind enemy lines before the attack for a flanking charge.

We can't produce a proper paratrooper plane but we can design an earlier version, use it for veterans or special forces with explosives and our best infantry weapons and with luck they could well over run the outer defenses and open the door for the armor.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

That's not a fact Brood, not a fact. It would lead to noticeable loses, but it was and is winnable by surprise attack. As for no information... It's no information for us, not for military.

BTW, so many people voted for designing subs, by accident we spent hellish amount of engineers on it and no votes on it's production. It is a very useful design.  We need subs , that design will harass enemy shipping

[RAM]

Do we have any idea when the update is due? I will probably be voting tomorrow I guess...