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« Reply #135 on: May 10, 2013, 01:19:17 pm »

And how will we resupply the landings ?
any ship will be a risk of sub attack.
air cover will be weaker due having to turn back to refuel long before morovia's
we lack amphibious tanks and specialist role vehicles.
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« Reply #136 on: May 10, 2013, 01:25:31 pm »

We'd need to land the troops near a coastal city as well as take the harbour intact. After we get that foothold, we're good. Subs shouldn't be a problem as long as the transports are properly escorted and screened.

Air power would be weaker until a molovian airfield is captured, but so long as the troops "Hug" the enemy (AKA: Keep the lines close so they can't call in air or artillery support) that risk should be migitated.
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« Reply #137 on: May 10, 2013, 01:44:41 pm »

If we fail to take an intact harbour or it gets damaged then we are with our men traped in pocket with out any friendly forces to link up with.
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« Reply #138 on: May 10, 2013, 02:00:32 pm »

I love strategy plans based around - "our enemy are idiots" and "Everything will go in the best possible way"  assumptions


First: it's not a fact that distraction will work and it will not end like Dieppe Raid

Second: Even if we are extremely lucky. Do you really expect that Morovians will do just nothing to throw our small foothold back into the sea and wait until we take a harbor and all airbases? We can't bring our whole army and heavy equipment there fast (even with captured harbour), while Morovians can

Third: What will you do if Capia will decide to attack while our best troops are fighting at beaches making us fighting nasty two front war? (and if Capia will enter the war wit it's strong surface fleet... wave goodbye for our convoys). Ignoring worst variants is a way towards a disaster.
I want that huge threat dead. That's why I advocate "Pearl harbor" to kill a navy of unfriendly nation that may ruin our commerce in any moment they want to
It saddens me that we have a huge fleet of 1000 aircrafts and will never use them ( few years and they are obsolete as hell and worth no more than scrap)

Fourth: Keep the lines close, somewhat work at tactical level, but never works on strategical one. Our forces will get their share of shells and bombs, don't doubt that
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« Reply #139 on: May 10, 2013, 02:14:36 pm »

I really can't tell if that's sarcasm, since you happen to be planning on the fact that our enemy happens to be idiots with your impending military disaster of a plan.

If anything, if we cannot secure passage through Capia, we should revert into a defensive stance until we have naval superiority.

Now, Capia WILL NOT attempt to cut off our commerce, since our ground forces provide a large enough deterrent that will keep them from doing so. They will not risk being invaded just to take out our convoys. With their army's relative inexperience and our armoured focus they'd lose quite easily. If anything, they gain more from remaining on good terms with us than they do by declaring war.
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« Reply #140 on: May 10, 2013, 02:22:10 pm »

When we attack I intend to have 20 SF units hidden in Capia near important places. If they attack we bomb them to hell.
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« Reply #141 on: May 10, 2013, 02:53:29 pm »

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I really can't tell if that's sarcasm, since you happen to be planning on the fact that our enemy happens to be idiots with your impending military disaster of a plan.
Care to provide an example? Pear harbor attack and rush to the capital? I very well understand that it may fail completely. If that happens,  then we go on defensive and try to hold the line gathering strength , we aren't weaklings and hard to invade.

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Now, Capia WILL NOT attempt to cut off our commerce, since our ground forces provide a large enough deterrent that will keep them from doing so.
It depends. If they'll ally with Morovia they may be the ones who strike first, while digging up on the border (hint: we lack heavy artillery to go through heavily dug enemy , with every year they are more dug up and our tanks are more obsolete. Surprise attack can compensate fortifications somewhat, regular war make border forts much more capable)
Yep, they'll try to avoid war until they are sure that they have favourable situation to attack

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  If anything, they gain more from remaining on good terms with us than they do by declaring war.

If they aren't total idiots they understand that they are very likely the  next target after Morovia and due to " their army's relative inexperience and our armoured focus they'd lose quite easily." they are basically doomed after the fall of Morovia . That's why they need to attack first should we start getting upper hand over Morovia
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« Reply #142 on: May 10, 2013, 03:03:19 pm »

Even then, we continually improve with time as well. They won't be to attack us at any rate. And this will likely stall into a cold war with Molovia for a few years while we wrest control of the seas from them.

And while the "Feather" biplanes will be obsoleted in a military sense, we can retool the design to not include weapons and then sell it as a civilian aviation craft, netting our government a nice bit of side income.
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« Reply #143 on: May 10, 2013, 03:05:25 pm »

Also, depending on how well the Carrier airship goes, we might use them as remote attack crafts or scouts.
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« Reply #144 on: May 10, 2013, 03:10:35 pm »

I'm going to be frank about the carrier airship: It won't work. Either it'll be prone to nosediving, horridly expensive or prone to being blown up. In any case, not the most practical idea, and not exactly cost efficient too.
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« Reply #145 on: May 10, 2013, 03:16:15 pm »

I'm going to be frank about the carrier airship: It won't work. Either it'll be prone to nosediving, horridly expensive or prone to being blown up. In any case, not the most practical idea, and not exactly cost efficient too.
Carrier airships have been build, and were not much more expensive than standard airships, nor much more liable to spontaneous combustion. (Not that standard airships have such a good safety record, but anyway.)

Do note that they're not intended for routine attacks. They don't have the speed nor carrying capacity for that.
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« Reply #146 on: May 10, 2013, 03:22:34 pm »

To be fair, Airships are mostly obsolete here. Fixed-wing aircraft are generally more efficient for just about every task.
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« Reply #147 on: May 10, 2013, 03:33:25 pm »

To be fair, Airships are mostly obsolete here. Fixed-wing aircraft are generally more efficient for just about every task.
Not yet.

IIRC, our aircraft still have a range disadvantage. Then there's the scouting and ASW too.
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« Reply #148 on: May 10, 2013, 03:36:12 pm »

ASW can be relegated by designing a proper naval bomber. Scouting, we'd probably better off relying on forward ground observers. Range I can get, but I doubt we have to travel further than 200 Kms.
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« Reply #149 on: May 10, 2013, 03:43:17 pm »

ASW can be relegated by designing a proper naval bomber. Scouting, we'd probably better off relying on forward ground observers. Range I can get, but I doubt we have to travel further than 200 Kms.
Airships tended to be better at it. The USA used them for that purpose till the end of WOII (Fun fact, they used Goodyear zeppelins).

As for scouting, well, naval scouting is fairly hard with forward ground observers. They tend to drown. Besides, ground level observers can't see submarines.
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