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KA101

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Hospital bills
« on: May 07, 2013, 05:45:40 pm »

I've sent Liberals to the Uni Hospital from time to time (my LCS can afford it) but never noticed a financial hit for their care.  Is there a screen I missed, L+ Health Care that doesn't bill the LCS, or was it just abstracted out somehow?
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Re: Hospital bills
« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2013, 05:52:14 pm »

I don't think you've ever needed to pay to use the hospital in LCS.
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Re: Hospital bills
« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2013, 07:50:15 pm »

I'd call that a beneficial bug.  Sorry, but without paying I'm not sure why one wouldn't route everyone to the Hospital.
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Re: Hospital bills
« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2013, 08:07:00 pm »

It would make sense, but would also be yet another example of "game getting easier as your squad gets stronger"
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Re: Hospital bills
« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2013, 01:02:48 pm »

I'd say there should be a "Health Care System" issue, which would affect how fast would both hospitals work.

The University Hospital (or equivalent paid institutions) would provide fast and efficient services at a price (which would rise, the more liberal health care laws become), while the Free Clinic would provide less effective (if not L+) services for free. (Of course, this runs under an assumption that non-sleeping LCS members, having no official job, wouldn't have health insurance. I may be wrong, as I'm not an American.)

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C+: The health care system is fully privatized, with no government benefits.
    The Free Clinic doesn't work at all.

 C: The health care system mostly relies on private insurance.
    The Free Clinic provides basic care, twice as slow.

 M: While some benefits are in order, health care is still expensve for most.
    The Free Clinic works 1.5 times as slow as paid hospitals.

 L: An extensive set of benefits provides affordable health care for those in need.
    The Free Clinic works _almost_ as effectively as the paid hospitals. (1.25 times as slow)

L+: A universal single payer health care system is in order.
The paid hospitals disappear, while the Free Clinic finally catches up in quality.
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Re: Hospital bills
« Reply #5 on: May 08, 2013, 01:12:57 pm »

I like it. Especially because the new screen is uneven and is setting off my OCD.
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Re: Hospital bills
« Reply #6 on: May 08, 2013, 01:15:25 pm »

Eureka, I've got it:

Health Care
C+: Only the top income bracket can afford health care, and medicine is restricted to those who can pay for it by law. (Effect: University Hospital is extremely expensive, around 10000$ per patient, but has a 100% heal rate. The Free Clinic is a Suicide Clinic, and the only reason Liberals can be sent there is to die.)
C: Health care is very expensive and virtually no compassion exists on the subject. (Effect: University Hospital is expensive, about 5000$ per patient, and has a 90% treatment rate. The Free Clinic is overcrowded by those who cannot afford real health care, and only has a 20% chance of providing treatment. If the liberal's injuries are immediately life threatening and this roll is failed, they die.
M: Most people cannot afford professional health care, and government programs on the subject are lacking. (Effect: University Hospital costs 1000$ per patient and has an 80% heal rate. The Free Clinic has a 30% heal rate.
L: Extensive government health care programs ensure that the vast majority of people can get treatment. (Effect: University Hospital costs 100$ per patient and has a 70% heal rate. The Free Clinic has a 40% heal rate.)
L+: Health care has been nationalized, and all people are guaranteed free treatment. (Effect: Nationalized Hospital is free and has a 50% heal rate. The Free Clinic and University Hospital no longer exist.)
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Re: Hospital bills
« Reply #7 on: May 08, 2013, 01:32:46 pm »

I think Liberal medicine should be objectively better than Conservative medicine, to keep with the spirit of the game. Buff the Nationalized Hospital. Other than that, I like it. :)
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Re: Hospital bills
« Reply #8 on: May 08, 2013, 01:36:06 pm »

No way. This is one of many things that need to be included to keep the difficulty of LCS constant.
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Re: Hospital bills
« Reply #9 on: May 08, 2013, 01:47:01 pm »

What about having a chance for wanted Liberals to get arrested while in the hospital?

If someone is wounded in a shootout with the police, they're probably going to be checking the hospitals later.

L+ Privacy Laws would, of course, prevent this. Elite Liberals take their doctor-patient confidentiality VERY seriously, after all.
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Re: Hospital bills
« Reply #10 on: May 08, 2013, 02:20:02 pm »

I like the latter of the two better. Nothing like that happens in LCS, if anything the game gets easier as things turn more liberal.
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Re: Hospital bills
« Reply #11 on: May 08, 2013, 02:31:46 pm »

No way. This is one of many things that need to be included to keep the difficulty of LCS constant.

I don't think it affects difficulty that much. In L+ society, you generally aren't getting injured that much. There's less fighting going on, and your squads usually have fairly good skills and armour at that point. The difficulty curve has always been wonky, and you'll some drastic changes to fix it. If fixing it is even necessary, that is. Personally, I think L+ society should be utopian, even if it makes the game easier. Flavour over balance.
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Re: Hospital bills
« Reply #12 on: May 08, 2013, 02:34:45 pm »

It isn't supposed to be utopian, it's supposed to be Elite Liberal. The game is viewed through the delusional lens of the the LCS, making the proper flavor "surface utopian, but actually not".
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Re: Hospital bills
« Reply #13 on: May 08, 2013, 03:23:26 pm »

Maybe a Liberal in an Elite Liberal hospital would receive not only medical care, but also counseling for whatever deep sated issues they may have, which would cause them to be disillusioned with the LCS "Well Intentioned Extremist" actions... I.E. Losing juice, and possibly leaving the squad if it gets too low.
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Re: Hospital bills
« Reply #14 on: May 08, 2013, 05:19:17 pm »

It isn't supposed to be utopian, it's supposed to be Elite Liberal. The game is viewed through the delusional lens of the the LCS, making the proper flavor "surface utopian, but actually not".

I disagree with that. The central idea of the game is that kidnapping and brainwashing innocent people, robbing banks and engaging in shootouts with the police can make the country more liberal. To me, that implies that the world in general works like the Symbionese Liberation Army thought it worked. You know, believing that terrorist tactics are sure to swing the public opinion in their favour, and that the ends justify the means and so on. I think L+ society is the best society possible because the LCS believes it will be, and in this game, the LCS is right.
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