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Author Topic: I am not seeing "skeletal [creature]s" on embark in Terrifying biomes.  (Read 945 times)

Urist Foolbreaded

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What am I doing wrong? Why aren't they showing up?

Also, dead animals aren't reanimating. What's wrong? How do I rig it so that I can always find places where the dead don't stay buried and it rains Trioxin?

Are there Advanced Worldgen parameters I should use?
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not all creatures that appear will be the terrifying kind, there are plenty of normal ones. Don't actually know about skeletal, but zombies just show up as random as other random animals. The solution is: patience

I don't know if it is possible to change the number of evil terrain effects. Otherwise just embark on different evil biomes and if it doesn't work the first time, try again
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not all creatures that appear will be the terrifying kind, there are plenty of normal ones. Don't actually know about skeletal, but zombies just show up as random as other random animals. The solution is: patience

I don't know if it is possible to change the number of evil terrain effects. Otherwise just embark on different evil biomes and if it doesn't work the first time, try again

So they will show up, correct? Just not immediately?

Also, how long does it take dead creatures to reanimate?
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zombie/skeletal creatures (should?) have their own populations listed by zone/area.  You should be able to export the populations list somewhere somehow.  I think it goes along with 'export local image' or something like that, the pop-lists by zone will be in a .txt file.

Also, since the introduction of evil weather, necromancers, and the like, I'm not even sure if creatures have zombie/skeletal versions as a standard thing the way they were in 40d and DF2010.  For example, if you embark on a non-animating, evil area, that does not have necro towers as neighbors, you might not get any undead at all (minus vampires).
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Urist Foolbreaded

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you might not get any undead at all (minus vampires).

The http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2012:Undead wiki seems to suggest that things will reanimate on their own. Is this correct? I want to fight animal parts that are moving of their own volition!
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That will happen in some embarks, but not others.  Each evil region gets a random effect, which can be evil rain, evil clouds, or reanimation.  I don't know if an embark can have more than one, but I don't think so.

If you haven't seen dead things stand up yet, it's not going to happen on that embark.  You'll have to try another.
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Urist Foolbreaded

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Each evil region gets a random effect

Now we're getting somewhere!

What's a "region"? How many 'squares'? I'm asking so I know how much to move by when I get a dud.
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That will happen in some embarks, but not others.  Each evil region gets a random effect, which can be evil rain, evil clouds, or reanimation.  I don't know if an embark can have more than one, but I don't think so.
It's fully possible to have more then one. The only things that I know of that are mutually exclusive is blood rain and syndrome rain, since they both fall under the "evil rain" category. Other then that it is fully possible to have evil rain, evil clouds, and reanimation all in a single embark.
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Urist Foolbreaded

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It's fully possible to have more then one.

So, how do I ensure that I get all three? It's basically cheating unless you're surrounded by undead and the sky is raining poison.

Also: I might not be able to have necromancers, but I can still pretend.
« Last Edit: May 06, 2013, 06:28:18 pm by Urist Foolbreaded »
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I'm not entirely sure where the cutoffs are in the world map for these things, but I'm reasonably sure that it's whenever you have an overlapping embark and can page between the biomes.  Each one would represent a distinct region for this, I'm pretty sure.

As for ensuring that you get all three, I don't think there's any way to do that without just embarking over and over again until you find what you want.
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Are you SURE you want the ENTIRE biome to reanimate?

Say hello to unslabable trader ghosts.  And burial isn't an option; they'll just hop out of the coffin. 
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There's two different types of effects you might be thinking of, Urist Foolbreaded.

One biome has dead trees, a sickly olive color on the map, and skeletal creatures.
The other has glumprong trees, a purple color on the map, and reanimating creatures.

There are also auto-husking effects, evil clouds, and evil rain, all with a wide range of potential ancillary badness.

However, if you want the widest range of possible evil effects as part of the biome (not rain, not clouds), increase Regional Interaction types to 1000, and generate a world with a huge number of biomes.
Personally I haven't seen a way to get one or the other 'flavor' of evil by design, but that will slant the random number generator in your favor, at least.

If you want a sample, let me know.

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However, if you want the widest range of possible evil effects as part of the biome (not rain, not clouds), increase Regional Interaction types to 1000, and generate a world with a huge number of biomes.
Personally I haven't seen a way to get one or the other 'flavor' of evil by design, but that will slant the random number generator in your favor, at least.

Alright. Attempting. Thank you very much. And I know my dwarves thank you too.
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i wanted to play on the edge of a reanimating biome, so that i could dfhack move a pile of corpses into the reanimating bit for an on-demand siege, this led to me noticing that there are in effect two types of biomes, the horror weather kind, and the zombies kind.

most of the undeath biomes i found had little or no horrible weather, or just disgusting weather, like vomit storms.
and the ones with weather like slime that caused bloodloss, resulting in constant random deaths, especially in cats.. just corpses, no zombies

i'm not sure but i think i did not see any overlap, so far it has been reanimation, OR syndrome weather, never both

and i do think full evil embarks are too much, an embark with just 10% terrifying biome is plenty of evil,
with no place to run from the evil, i just got tons of VERY short embarks due to things like husk storms on day one, before i even dug out a single room to order the dwarves into

finding the right kind of evil biome can be annoying, as you may need to do many test embarks to see what kind of evil each biome has, and THEN looking for a good spot in that biome once you find it
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Such is the life of a !!SCIENTIST!!. :P
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