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[10ebbor10]

I think we need to develop some god damned eyes!

No we don't. Eyes are pretty useless in murky water, and rather hard to develop anyway.

We need eyes eventually though.

No we don't. Plenty of blind species in the world.

[kahn1234]

I think we need to develop some god damned eyes!

No we don't. Eyes are pretty useless in murky water, and rather hard to develop anyway.

We need eyes eventually though.

No we don't. Plenty of blind species in the world.

And they are far from being dominant. If we ever progress to land, we need eyes.

[10ebbor10]

Depends on how you calculate dominant. Plenty of biotopes and niches in which "good" eyes are not important. We're in one of those.

Also, why would we ever progress to land. We haven't got a skeleton, breathing system, structural support, digestion system, and our natural weaponry and movements systems are useless there.

[kahn1234]

Depends on how you calculate dominant. Plenty of biotopes and niches in which "good" eyes are not important. We're in one of those.

Also, why would we ever progress to land. We haven't got a skeleton, breathing system, structural support, digestion system, and our natural weaponry and movements systems are useless there.

we may want to progress to land later on, or we may more to a different biome.

I'm not saying replace what we have with eyes, just add eyes on top, even if they aren't much use at the moment.

[Xantalos]

Depends on how you calculate dominant. Plenty of biotopes and niches in which "good" eyes are not important. We're in one of those.

Also, why would we ever progress to land. We haven't got a skeleton, breathing system, structural support, digestion system, and our natural weaponry and movements systems are useless there.

we may want to progress to land later on, or we may more to a different biome.

I'm not saying replace what we have with eyes, just add eyes on top, even if they aren't much use at the moment.

Eh, right now we don't really need them.

[kaian-a-coel]

no, no need for eyes. +1 to brain.

[Cheesecake]

+1 to brain and body structure. Maybe cartilage because it's light and we're doing pretty nicely without bones anyway.

[arbiter787]

+1 to brain and body structure. Maybe cartilage because it's light and we're doing pretty nicely without bones anyway.

Yes, +1 to brain and some sort of structure, preferably cartilage.

((Hope you guys don't mind if I drop in every now and then ))

[Remuthra]

(mispost)

[GreatWyrmGold]

I think we need to develop some god damned eyes!

No we don't. Eyes are pretty useless in murky water, and rather hard to develop anyway.

We need eyes eventually though.

Why?
Eyes are only "dominant" because those clades that are unusually good at adapting happened to have eyes as an ancestral characteristic. If the ancestral chordates had electricity-sensitive rather than light-sensitive cells, we would be arguing over electric sense vs. that crazy light-sense. Also, as noted, many creatures lost their eyes, so clearly they aren't all that important...especially if we have a variety of other senses that can be used in their stead.
And look at our creature. Its closest parallels are cephalopods and cnidarians, two clades which have not ever had a terrestrial member. What makes you think we're going on land any time soon?

[Eotyrannus]

I think we need to develop some god damned eyes!

No we don't. Eyes are pretty useless in murky water, and rather hard to develop anyway.

We need eyes eventually though.

Why?
Eyes are only "dominant" because those clades that are unusually good at adapting happened to have eyes as an ancestral characteristic. If the ancestral chordates had electricity-sensitive rather than light-sensitive cells, we would be arguing over electric sense vs. that crazy light-sense. Also, as noted, many creatures lost their eyes, so clearly they aren't all that important...especially if we have a variety of other senses that can be used in their stead.
And look at our creature. Its closest parallels are cephalopods and cnidarians, two clades which have not ever had a terrestrial member. What makes you think we're going on land any time soon?

Because if we want to be able to make nukes, we'll need fire to smelt the materials. And I'd say we're more fish with tentacle faces and deathcloud-makers in their gills. And pocket guts. And fangs. And a radula.
Okay we have many features from octoPODES but we look like a pretty fishy.
And that spearface guy might make nukes before us if we don't get onto land eventually.

[weenog]

Did I miss a key post?  I saw a lot of support for modifying the neurotoxin delivery system to to enable squirting the stuff out into a cloud of inky nastiness, but no actual confirmation that we got it nor how well it worked.

[Eotyrannus]

That's still yet to be updated. Having a ALL-THE-VIDEO-GAMES day today, so the update might be tomorrow.

[GreatWyrmGold]

I think we need to develop some god damned eyes!

No we don't. Eyes are pretty useless in murky water, and rather hard to develop anyway.

We need eyes eventually though.

Why?
Eyes are only "dominant" because those clades that are unusually good at adapting happened to have eyes as an ancestral characteristic. If the ancestral chordates had electricity-sensitive rather than light-sensitive cells, we would be arguing over electric sense vs. that crazy light-sense. Also, as noted, many creatures lost their eyes, so clearly they aren't all that important...especially if we have a variety of other senses that can be used in their stead.
And look at our creature. Its closest parallels are cephalopods and cnidarians, two clades which have not ever had a terrestrial member. What makes you think we're going on land any time soon?

Because if we want to be able to make nukes, we'll need fire to smelt the materials. And I'd say we're more fish with tentacle faces and deathcloud-makers in their gills. And pocket guts. And fangs. And a radula.
Okay we have many features from octoPODES but we look like a pretty fishy.
And that spearface guy might make nukes before us if we don't get onto land eventually.

1. What makes you think that we want nukes?
2. What makes you think that Bay12 can't come up with a way for aquatic animals to create a nuclear-age civilization?
3. Since this is an evolutionary suggestion game, what makes you sure we'd be able to control our civilization?

[arbiter787]

I think we need to develop some god damned eyes!

No we don't. Eyes are pretty useless in murky water, and rather hard to develop anyway.

We need eyes eventually though.

Why?
Eyes are only "dominant" because those clades that are unusually good at adapting happened to have eyes as an ancestral characteristic. If the ancestral chordates had electricity-sensitive rather than light-sensitive cells, we would be arguing over electric sense vs. that crazy light-sense. Also, as noted, many creatures lost their eyes, so clearly they aren't all that important...especially if we have a variety of other senses that can be used in their stead.
And look at our creature. Its closest parallels are cephalopods and cnidarians, two clades which have not ever had a terrestrial member. What makes you think we're going on land any time soon?

Because if we want to be able to make nukes, we'll need fire to smelt the materials. And I'd say we're more fish with tentacle faces and deathcloud-makers in their gills. And pocket guts. And fangs. And a radula.
Okay we have many features from octoPODES but we look like a pretty fishy.
And that spearface guy might make nukes before us if we don't get onto land eventually.

1. What makes you think that we want nukes?
2. What makes you think that Bay12 can't come up with a way for aquatic animals to create a nuclear-age civilization?
3. Since this is an evolutionary suggestion game, what makes you sure we'd be able to control our civilization?

I think nukes and stuff would be cool, but I agree with GreatWyrm. We can develop that stuff underwater somehow, and it would be cool to be blind, relying on electro-sense and smell the whole time.