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[Il Palazzo]

Oh yes. I'm going to beeline a crabton of my craptroops to your capital first thing in the morning.

[moghopper]

I'm just trying to make sure everyone starts on an equal footing. But if you don't care, I can leave things as is.

[Stworca]

You could move Ulm to greener pastures, away from these frozen wastelands!

Also Il Palazzo. His place is on the vulcanic plane of despair and doom. Where not even a small pond exists, for him to pond.. er... in..
God dammit.

Agartha's position is indeed bad, but only if THAT one race is playing. You know the one.. Insta-aoe-destruction of all your statues, forever. Every round of every battle. Spammable commanders that knock Agartha out of the game by turn 10. Yeah, that one. They start next to each other, and that makes you wonder.
Seeing how anyone - with IQ exceeding that of a rock - can instagib that specific nation A (moi), with that specific nation B (fucking Caelum), will make me change realms should it be chosen.

Aside from that, i find my lack of income acceptable, and challenging in the most welcome of ways. It will also prevent me from ever buying those pieces of monkey crap, that i call national troops, and just forget about money altogether. The only healthy, sanity-preserving way to play MA-Ag.

[Il Palazzo]

Agartha's position is indeed bad, but only if THAT one race is playing. You know the one.. Insta-aoe-destruction of all your statues, forever. Every round of every battle. Spammable commanders that knock Agartha out of the game by turn 10. Yeah, that one. They start next to each other, and that makes you wonder.
Seeing how anyone - with IQ exceeding that of a rock - can instagib that specific nation A (moi), with that specific nation B (fucking Caelum), will make me change realms should it be chosen.

Stworca, either you've never heard of round 5, or you're calling Lorak an idiot. And I do remember him as one of the most resourceful players I have fought.

[Stworca]

Stworca, either you've never heard of round 5, or you're calling Lorak an idiot. And I do remember him as one of the most resourceful players I have fought.

What kind of Dominions player only sees two possible options?
Tsk. Tsk.

Neither Lorak nor his enemy knew exactly where the other one's capital is since turn 0.

[moghopper]

Yeah, sorry about that.

I'm going to re assign everyones start position now...

[Stworca]

By one square in either direction is actually pretty fine, I'd say. Just don't assign anyone in a corner with one bordering province 

Keep in mind, that the map starting positions were designed for those specific nations. Your bloody wasteland will actually help you more as Pyth, than farmlands.

[moghopper]

By one square in either direction is actually pretty fine, I'd say. Just don't assign anyone in a corner with one bordering province 

Keep in mind, that the map starting positions were designed for those specific nations. Your bloody wasteland will actually help you more as Pyth, than farmlands.

HOW?!

[Stworca]

..Think about it for a second, sunny Jim.

I'm staying in my caves!

Edit : Ok, a hint.
Waste: (site freq) + 20

I've had a go with a few nations on that map, and it's looking really nice for most of them. Them crabs, lobsters and fish have it tough, but Palazzo plays them, so we don't care.

[moghopper]

..Think about it for a second, sunny Jim.

I'm staying in my caves!

Edit : Ok, a hint.
Waste: (site freq) + 20

I've had a go with a few nations on that map, and it's looking really nice for most of them. Them crabs, lobsters and fish have it tough, but Palazzo plays them, so we don't care.

I still don't get it. I still need some actual income, or I won't be able to do anything.

[Stworca]

Provinces with city icons in them are large, thus gaining bonuses. There is an explanation in the left, upper corner.

[moghopper]

Provinces with city icons in them are large, thus gaining bonuses. There is an explanation in the left, upper corner.

I know. But the cities near me, while having 30k population, generate about 50 gold per turn

[Stworca]

I know. But the cities near me, while having 30k population, generate about 50 gold per turn

A picture, perhaps? I cannot reproduce results even remotely close to similar.

[moghopper]

I know. But the cities near me, while having 30k population, generate about 50 gold per turn

A picture, perhaps? I cannot reproduce results even remotely close to similar.

What are you getting?

[Stworca]

4k pop, 40 income on the closest wasteland, then it differs in pop to around 12k at times, but with plains-like income. Seems normal to me.

You SURE you didn't have turmoil 3 sloth 3 death 3 AND 90 unrest? For a 30k to generate 50 income, there is no other way. Wasteland or not.