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[Aklyon]

Alchemy crashes a ton for me, but I'm assuming its been mentioned already?

[Aoi]

Alchemy crashes a ton for me, but I'm assuming its been mentioned already?

Same. I don't bother with it; if I'm looking for something, I just keep an eye on the shop.

[freeformschooler]

It's working fine for me. It seems to be the only way to get optic (other than buying? maybe?) because I've never seen it drop once. Especially A-rank Optic.

[Furtuka]

I've gotten an A rank Optic from the Forest Doctorate.

Alchemy crashes a ton for me, but I'm assuming its been mentioned already?

Same. I don't bother with it; if I'm looking for something, I just keep an eye on the shop.

I think it's if you combo something that says is not available yet and fuse it anyways that causes it.

[Frumple]

A rank optic from doctorate maps, yeah. A rank can only show up on master and doctorate levels, if you didn't notice the thing saying that, and they're still pretty rare on master. Don't believe any of the levels are biased toward particular material types, though.

I think I've bought a couple from the shop, too. Always check that place after a map run, once you've got some gold to spend. It's usually got at least one A or B rank material to offer. 500 gold a pop, but after a while (and especially if you clear out your inventory of C-F rank materials occasionally) you get so much it doesn't really matter if you're spending a couple thousand every other map or whatever.

[freeformschooler]

I know that, I'm just saying I haven't found any rank of optic on any map

[Aklyon]

I know that, I'm just saying I haven't found any rank of optic on any map

I found an F-rank Optic on my first map.

[Neonivek]

Mind you Optic in my opinion doesn't enhance. It is as good rank f as it is rank s.

There are quite a few stones that don't get better with grades.

[Furtuka]

Actually its size increase becomes really valuable if you combine it with a chaos butterfly.

[freeformschooler]

Mind you Optic in my opinion doesn't enhance. It is as good rank f as it is rank s.

There are quite a few stones that don't get better with grades.

Wait, there's an S rank?

[Furtuka]

Nope??

[Frumple]

Actually its size increase becomes really valuable if you combine it with a chaos butterfly.

... which is very pretty, but fairly useless

For damage, anyway. The way optic splits damage up and needs to focus makes it a pretty terrible candidate for chaos butterfly, unfortunately You almost never manage to get the full hit on something and are pretty much always going to be lagging behind what a non-beam butterfly shot is going to do. Somewhat more likely to do that fractional damage, but... it's pretty weak.

One fairly consistent chaos butterfly mix I've found is butterfly/spider silk/crystal ball/dig. Does pretty alright damage and still manages to land quite a lot of its hits. It's also quite pretty, with you firing out these filaments of death all over the place

Shame wands max at four, though. Adding pierce to that would murderize everything. Pierce instead of dig is pretty violent too, providing no terrain's around to interrupt the shot.

And yeah, no S rank. Only goes up to A. Might change in the future, but it doesn't look like it will going by the way the game's currently designed. A rank's probably enough, heh.

[Furtuka]

Actually its size increase becomes really valuable if you combine it with a chaos butterfly.

... which is very pretty, but fairly useless

For damage, anyway. The way optic splits damage up and needs to focus makes it a pretty terrible candidate for chaos butterfly, unfortunately You almost never manage to get the full hit on something and are pretty much always going to be lagging behind what a non-beam butterfly shot is going to do. Somewhat more likely to do that fractional damage, but... it's pretty weak.

One fairly consistent chaos butterfly mix I've found is butterfly/spider silk/crystal ball/dig. Does pretty alright damage and still manages to land quite a lot of its hits. It's also quite pretty, with you firing out these filaments of death all over the place

Shame wands max at four, though. Adding pierce to that would murderize everything. Pierce instead of dig is pretty violent too, providing no terrain's around to interrupt the shot.

And yeah, no S rank. Only goes up to A. Might change in the future, but it doesn't look like it will going by the way the game's currently designed. A rank's probably enough, heh.

It gets a lot better if you add a slime heart since it bounces around to fill out an entire room and will extend into neighboring segments. I've found it's really useful for dealing with large amounts of enemies as I mentioned earlier

[Sirus]

Spoiler: What the christ? (click to show/hide)

Just a bunch of gold and F-grade materials, but jeez.

[Furtuka]

It happens, think I've seen it 4 times so far. Really fun fighting your way to the top if you get blown off the edge.