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[Werdna]

The "Box of ..." items could use some price tuning to keep them in line with their contents.  I don't have the numbers in front of me but offhand IIRC Boxs of Steel Bars and Mithril Bars work out to something like 2x the price of 10 individual bars; while Boxes of Wool Clothing are incredibly cheap (110 dwarfbux?) and could conceivably be opened and the contents sold back for a profit.

[Godlysockpuppet]

The "Box of ..." items could use some price tuning to keep them in line with their contents.  I don't have the numbers in front of me but offhand IIRC Boxs of Steel Bars and Mithril Bars work out to something like 2x the price of 10 individual bars; while Boxes of Wool Clothing are incredibly cheap (110 dwarfbux?) and could conceivably be opened and the contents sold back for a profit.

They're alot lighter though, so a caravan can carry lots of them.

[Werdna]

The "Box of ..." items could use some price tuning to keep them in line with their contents.  I don't have the numbers in front of me but offhand IIRC Boxs of Steel Bars and Mithril Bars work out to something like 2x the price of 10 individual bars; while Boxes of Wool Clothing are incredibly cheap (110 dwarfbux?) and could conceivably be opened and the contents sold back for a profit.

They're alot lighter though, so a caravan can carry lots of them.

So amend my statement to say they need both price and weight tuning then.    Am I really that far out there in expecting a box of ten bars to roughly weigh as much as ten bars and roughly cost as much as ten bars? 

If its for balance reasons, I'd rather see a caravan carry fewer boxes at a normal price and weight, than carry more 'Boxes of Holding' at an inflated price.  Primarily because "dwarf bux" is a ridiculously easy resource to abuse and acquire.  If one really wants to buy out a caravan, no amount of balancing is going to prevent us from doing so.  We all know the little tricks whether we choose to pursue them or not.  I'd rather see the caravan resources limited.

[Meph]

The thing is: Caravans bring X bars if you order them. I think the max is 4. I already raise the capacity of this to 44, by allowing x bars and x crates. This allows you to import more steel. This means your demand of steel is higher, which means that the price for the material should be higher. If you want cheap steel, order 4 bars. If you want a lot of steel, the traders know you are desperate for it, and they sell it overpriced.

Clothing comes, when ordered, in bins, so you can order 4x10 cloth anyway, so these clothing sets are cheaper. They are also way less usefull then 40 steel bars.

If you want to exactly match the prices of traded crates and the goods that they contain (which is impossible in some cases, because the outcome is a bit randomised on some, like engineer supplies) then go ahead. Creature_Masterwork.txt is the file you want, search for the long list of creatures with CRATE in their names. If you present me a list, I will add it. But I personally think my reasoning is quite ok for the different prices. I could make a poll (or even you could make a new thread and a poll) about it, to see what the majority of people thinks.

[Werdna]

Interesting, thanks for the explanation.  I didn't know about those '4' limits, where does that value come from?  Fair enough re: bars, I can see what you are aiming for there.  I just feel that 44 bars per caravan (+anvils) is a bit of overkill, at least for steel and mithril, since you can achieve this by 2nd Autumn (and then even more after that via the other caravans) which is far faster accumulation than possible in vanilla DF.  I'd suggest 24 bars max and at normal prices just for consistency, but that's just MHO. 

Definitely not looking for an exact match on prices, just something in the ballpark.  The Wool clothing box was the one that stood out the most, at only ~110 or so for a crate.  You can't buy a bin of wool for that little, much less clothing.  I'm not suggesting this is abusable, even if I opened 4 crates and sold it all back for a profit, we're only talking a pittance.  The real reason I mention Wool clothing is that I admit I am lazy - I feel like I cheat by nearly completely ignoring my fort's clothing industry.  I just order the cheap crates of clothes and feel a little guilty doing it... I feel like I should be at least punished in some way for importing clothes, and the low price makes me wonder if there's squalid goblin sweatshops out there pumping out cheap clothing for lazy overseers like me.     I'll take a look at the raws and make some suggestions.

[Godlysockpuppet]

Bug? At my magma smelter, I've got casserite, tetrahedrite and coke(even though it's a magma smelter, got coke just to be sure) and I can't use the smelt 2 bronze bars reaction??

[Mr Space Cat]

After searching the forums a bit I haven't found anything answering my question, so I figured I'd ask here.

Is Masterwork DF also effected by the growth bug? I'd assume there'd be a fix already in DFHack that's packaged with it, but I'm completely inexperienced with that and dunno how to check.

Such a big would really effect balance for Kobold Camp, where one of the strengths of kobolds is breeding replacements quickly. The growth bug would make these breed-ins inferior to migrants, since the migrants would be fully grown and at their usual size (1/3 of a dwarf) as opposed to the breedins who would remain the size of the child. Of course, all other playable races would be effected as well.

If there isn't a fix in DFHack already, could I get some info on how to fix it?

[cdombroski]

After searching the forums a bit I haven't found anything answering my question, so I figured I'd ask here.

Is Masterwork DF also effected by the growth bug? I'd assume there'd be a fix already in DFHack that's packaged with it, but I'm completely inexperienced with that and dunno how to check.

Such a big would really effect balance for Kobold Camp, where one of the strengths of kobolds is breeding replacements quickly. The growth bug would make these breed-ins inferior to migrants, since the migrants would be fully grown and at their usual size (1/3 of a dwarf) as opposed to the breedins who would remain the size of the child. Of course, all other playable races would be effected as well.

If there isn't a fix in DFHack already, could I get some info on how to fix it?

In the V.3b changlog...

- Added growthbug fix, to fix the vanilla bodysize bug. Done by Kurik Amudnil.

[kreepergrimms]

theres a possible bug in the sawmill, the option for turning regular wooden logs into scrapwood is not available

nevermind i was reading the forum wrong, i thought it said sawmill but it was the lumber yard, problem fixed

[mkmr]

A little typo w/ the magic system. Familiars.png should be familiar.png

[Godlysockpuppet]

I have a dwarf who likes to consume "Dwarf Frozen by terror". How horrifying.

[Putnam]

That would be a natural result of some things.

[nug]

For some reason I cannot find plump helmets on he embark screen

[Putnam]

Gen a new world or play as a different dwarf civ.

[Godlysockpuppet]

For some reason I cannot find plump helmets on he embark screen

Same problem but didn't think anything of it. Very surprised to find a drink named "pigtail nothing" and the prices of underground seeds are ridiculous. 15 embark points for one sweetpod spawn??