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Author Topic: Dualism - a Pseudo-God Game of Heroic Fantasy and Eternal Conflict [Started!]  (Read 13146 times)

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Please take this to PMs. This is a game thread, not a philosophy one and this is pretty disrespectful to the GM, in my opinion.

Agreed. The game hasn't even started yet, yet it already looks like arguing's going to take place (and if you don't think this can devolve into arguing, you're either an idiot or you've never seen one of those "quote all and reply one by one" things). Take it to PMs if it's really important for you to carry out the philosophical discussion, but keep this place clean.
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Later is fine too, no rush.

@monk and Magic; the sins are integral to magic here in a way, I'm afraid. Using magic requires falling back to these wants and base vices. You cannot cast a spell of Ira without wanting to harm something, you cannot alter a mind with Luxuria without desire for others. This does not mean that magic users are all sinful bastards, only that mortals generally cannot be fully virtuous. A tiny pang of envy is enough for Invidia magic, even if you are content 99% otherwise. I'll let you decide if magic is still unacceptable to your followers.

That said, I imagine the White Rock's aura of virtuousness makes it impossible/difficult to fall on these sins and cast magic - very useful, I'd say. Chosen adhering to the virtues might also have in-game benefits (being very sinful will aid with magic in turn).

Other facts about magic; it is often referred to as the Art or the Arts, and using it as 'crafting' (he crafted Luxuria and Avaritia in a web around the man's mind, etc.).

That's fine- I think I'll go with a firm anti-magic stance, then, as the Chosen should be striving to be paragons of Virtue actually wait, there's a more interesting way to do that.

The Chosen are Embodiments of Virtue- namely, one of the virtues. Perfection in all areas is the goal, but basically impossible for mortals- making mortals perfect is, after all, why the Virtue Power needs to gain complete dominion of the world. Instead, while the Chosen are required to have high standards across the board, they focus on one Virtue to an extreme degree- Sir Robin the Brave, Sir Galahad the Pure, so on and so forth. As a result of focusing on that virtue, the opposing vice is never surrendered to, where it isn't completely suppressed.

The upshot would be that spells from that school would be impossible for that Chosen to cast- a Chosen who is known as the Embodiment of Humility would be unable to cast spells based in Pride, for example. It might also make sense for each Tier a Chosen advances to be accompanied by another forbidden school, though that depends on what kind of level cap we're talking here. I don't know if you had an idea for specific upsides to adhering to the Virtues, but the one that springs to mind would be resistance to spells of the opposing Vice- for example, that Embodiment of Humility wouldn't be able to cast Pride spells, but he'd be able to bypass his enemy's Pride-based protection spells more easily.

This way allows players to have fun with magic, but also adds a bit of restriction. Mortals acting on behalf of Virtue would still be expected to show restraint even with schools of magic they're allowed to use- the Chosen of Vice might use magic willy-nilly, but the Chosen of Virtue recognize it as a corrupting influence only to be used as a last resort, and never relied upon. So there'll still be a decided slant to ascetic warriors among the ranks of the Virtuous, I imagine. And of course, nothing says the Chosen can't recruit followers who are firmly in the gray, and have no qualms about excessive Vices- those followers are just unlikely to become Chosen themselves unless they reform their ways. None of that DnD antisocial paladin crap :P

As far as the White Rock being a sort of anti-magic field, I like the idea a lot. It makes perfect sense, and fits with everything really well. Thinking on the above also suggests a use for Ra'tul, the artifact sword. As a living weapon, the sword itself is an Embodiment of Virtue, conferring those advantages and disadvantages to the wielder. Much more exciting than a generic Excalibur thing.

I also plan to write up a couple of Chosen apps tomorrow, I just haven't found the spare minutes to rub together to do it. And if this doesn't get used, I think I can copy all this into my notes and recycle it someplace else!

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I hope we both get picked as the powers monk. The resulting conflict would be... interesting.

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I'll also put in a Chosen app or two ...
afte it's decide who are the powers or not. Otherwise all my apps are going to look like something out of a madlibs book.
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Alright, I think we'll be making the choice of Powers today. Please hold.

@Re: the multiple Powers thing - as I said, having more than two Powers would certainly be possible in a game like this, but it would mean marginalizing the role of Chosen or else having way too much work to handle. You are free to attempt it. This game, however, stays Dualistic.

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besides several powers would turn the game into godhood/pantheon/othergodlike game...
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besides several powers would turn the game into godhood/pantheon/othergodlike game...
+1. The single-god-suggestion game and pantheon games have been done and re-done. As far as I'm aware, this "dualism" concept is new.
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If the Xantalos/CHeesecake pair isn't chosen, I'll just make some Chosen sheets.
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Spoiler: Chosen App (click to show/hide)
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Alright! Having consulted my esteemed co-GM, it appears we have come to a conclusion; the Powers of the game are ORDER and CHAOS, played by Xantalos and Cheesecake. I'll put the rest of the Power appers on the list to replace/sub them if they drop out if they so wish.

All 3 pairs were of excellent quality, which is always frustrating. If I could, I'd run individual games for each one.

We're still going over Chosen, so there's still time to write apps for them/claim spots. After the first batch has been decided and final preparations (I do declare we need a map) are complete, we can begin.

EDIT: The two Imprisoned Chosen can be claimed as well now, though it's not necessary. They will become NPCs if left untouched.
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Applying for a 'Chosen' role:

Name: Arin Whitelocks

Gender: Female

Race: Dark Elf

Age: Unknown

Alignment: None.....yet.

Description: She has piercing steel blue (grey) eyes that anyone who meet her would say can look into your soul. Dark, mid-back length hair with natural red and white high-lights. Very feminine and attractive facial features and body and long elf ears. She is strong and independent, and is not afraid of danger. Adventurous and curious, her nature has gotten her into trouble many times. She can be friendly, but prefers to keep people at arms length, however once her trust is gained she can be a fiercely loyal ally and would not hesitate to aid her friends in any way she can. Sometimes she can be rather stubborn, proud and contrary, but these are her quirks. She has a weakness for shiny, precious gems. She can turn into quite the kleptomaniac when around them. 

Background: Arin cannot remember her past, although sometimes snippets come to her. She remembers bit and pieces about her home, deep under the ground, deeper than even some dwarves delve, living in a home lit only by the bright moss that grew on the ceiling and artificial light from torches, fireplaces and lanterns bought from the dwarven caravans higher up. Friends, family and relations flit by in her memory like shadows, their names constantly out of reach. She cannot remember their warmth, their names, just like she cannot remember her age.

She is, however, knowledgeable about the use of a longbow and the duel-wielding use of two short swords. Now, if only she had a longbow and short swords to use. She also seems to remember being taught up to a decent level of hand-to-hand combat and acrobatics.

She has been wandering the land from town to town in search of a cause to follow or any sign of her old home. As a non-human she is treated with suspicion and usually avoided, although her looks can get her work at some of the more....disreputable  establishments in the towns. She decided that her pride as an Elf can be put aside if necessity wills it, although she draws the line before anything physical happens.


((OOC: non-humans like dark elves are allowed aren't they?))
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Are various non-human races allowed? It'll make the game a lot more interesting if they are.
@Squill: As you can see, people have submitted a lot of non-human characters already. The world is mostly ruled by humans, which might not possess great love for non-humans, but hey, what's life without a lot of problems? It seems we're going to be preaching some sort of message about tolerance and equality here.
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I'll make a note to the Powers so I don't hear about this later - your gameplay will not necessarily be very fast-paced/high-maintenance. I'm not saying you'll have to wait weeks for your next chance to act, but some patience will be required while the Chosen attempt to fulfill your will/have their adventures.

Your big acts are big occasions with big effects on the world - most of the time, you will be guiding/badgering your Chosen and plotting overall strategy through them - you won't be able to cause a natural disaster for every little thing that may happen during the turns, but you can make sure your Chosen will be ready for them or avoid them altogether. You can, of course, just avoid micromanaging completely and only act in the earthshaking, world-changing manner of a real god, with no input to the mortals.
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Chosen App.

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