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Stout

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Regular Military Training?
« on: April 29, 2013, 10:02:43 pm »

I was just wondering is there a way to train military dwarves in a less cheap way, then the danger room training?  It seems like if I don't train in a danger room my military dwarves barely train any skills, and are useless for the most part.  If I do train in a danger room, they all become lords in a relatively short time.  I feel dirty using the danger room, but its the only way to get useful military dwarves quick enough to fend off "FUN".

Is there a way to train military dwarves in a less cheap way then danger rooms?  Or am i just out of luck for now?
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Keldane

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« Reply #1 on: April 29, 2013, 10:34:46 pm »

Training without a danger room is best done in one of two ways - either three-dwarf squads set to train 2 minimum, or larger squads with multiple Train 2 minimum orders each month. If too many dwarves are required before training can begin, then no training happens; if the squad is too large and only two dwarves are required to train, they'll spend all their time switching out.
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Re: Regular Military Training?
« Reply #2 on: April 30, 2013, 03:02:51 am »

I just got 2 swordsman from lvl2 to lvl15+ in under a year simply by having them sparring. The only things they used was a wooden training sword and a wooden shield.
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« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2013, 08:55:43 am »

Try bringing a Dwarf with a high combat skill and high Teacher skill - any training they organize will be more effective.

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« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2013, 09:09:59 am »

bringing starting skills is good.  You can also get good results by just making several 2-man squads.  And well equipped soldiers with mediocre skills (1-4's) will still destroy any goblins that are first softened with arrows or traps.  Depending on personality i think, 2 dwarves can become uber-legendaries in 1-2 years or it could take longer.
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Re: Regular Military Training?
« Reply #5 on: April 30, 2013, 11:59:21 am »

I do the 10 man squad 3x 2min training every other month. It really seems it's all up to rng for me whether they spar or not. It's never multiple 2s sparring either, it's just 1 pair sparring if ever. I don't know how you guys get them to spar consistently, never mind getting to legendary in a year.   ._.
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« Reply #6 on: April 30, 2013, 12:00:50 pm »

Training them on captured prisoners is a fast method too, and less "cheap" than danger rooms.
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« Reply #7 on: April 30, 2013, 01:56:32 pm »

Training them on captured prisoners is a fast method too, and less "cheap" than danger rooms.
Oh I do that, it's just that it lasts about 2 seconds before their head gets severed or smashed in. I find that my 4 military dwarves(for some reason came with rank10 armor+shield user) clad in full steel get much more training when goblins siege. I let them solo everything as long as there is no elite crossbow or bowman...those guys will mess your dwarves up with silver ammo.
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Re: Regular Military Training?
« Reply #8 on: April 30, 2013, 02:27:05 pm »

Yeah, silver bolts are like shotgun slugs basically. Personally I train my squads of 10 by giving them the order to train 3 soldiers minimum. This is mainly because I tend to have useful dwarves in the military as well and I don't want them all to be training at the same time. Other than that, it's just battle experience gained when something sneaks past my archer towers.
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« Reply #9 on: April 30, 2013, 08:23:45 pm »

Training them on captured prisoners is a fast method too, and less "cheap" than danger rooms.
Oh I do that, it's just that it lasts about 2 seconds before their head gets severed or smashed in. I find that my 4 military dwarves(for some reason came with rank10 armor+shield user) clad in full steel get much more training when goblins siege. I let them solo everything as long as there is no elite crossbow or bowman...those guys will mess your dwarves up with silver ammo.

If you strip only the weapons off the "Training Partners" and send your dwarves in with good armor but weak weaponry your "Partners" tend to not wear out very fast and are not much of a threat to your dwarves.   Just be sure to have another squad on standby to rescue your dwarven comrades if a training accident should occur.   Alternitively if you can capture a necromacer or six and pin them up behind windows/bars or something you can end up with infinate training partners for your dwarves to play with.
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« Reply #10 on: May 02, 2013, 03:29:09 am »

Zombie training is the best you can hope for:


As a bonus, they will become sociopaths due to the high number ok kills.
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Re: Regular Military Training?
« Reply #11 on: May 02, 2013, 03:16:00 pm »

I was just wondering is there a way to train military dwarves in a less cheap way, then the danger room training?  It seems like if I don't train in a danger room my military dwarves barely train any skills, and are useless for the most part.  If I do train in a danger room, they all become lords in a relatively short time.

If you only use one spear in your danger room, it takes a bit longer. It's about as long as normal training, only more reliable.
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« Reply #12 on: May 02, 2013, 07:37:08 pm »

Everyone's experience is different when it comes to military. You'll hear of the three dwarf squads, of two dwarf squads, of danger room usage and using captured and stripped goblins as training fodder. I don't do any of this, and I always have a powerful military. I simpl make a squad, fill that bitch up to 10 dwarves, designate them to an armor stand to train, put them on active training, and that's it. They train year round. The spar, and they spar ALOT, regardless of what people will tell you, and while it's not super fast like danger room training, it's still quick enough. I've had a single squad that only had 7 or 8 dwarves fend off entire goblin seiges and ambushes this way. I don't even god-mode their armor. Just make the important pieces first and you're golden. Weapon, shield, helmet, mail shirt, breastplate. Then gloves and greaves and boots. And that's it. It's all you really need. The dwarves might get a little cranky at first but it passes, and isn't hard at all to counter.

And I do it this way with every single fort. Don't listen to needlessly complicated stratagems, unless that's what you want. If you just want an effective military, do it this way.
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