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[Ukrainian Ranger]

OOC thread, guys, please, use it more often

In the world were no KV-1 exist yet I prefer cost\stealth\weight over shoot power for AT guns so
7.1 counterproposal 
Design unusual 40mm dedicated AT gun called ATG-40.  This should have very long barrel. Should be light, cheap and capable to fire high velocity 40mm shells. It should never aim for longevity,  becoming too damaged to fire more after first 10-15 shots, thus unsuited for long term use. In practice crew should be trained to abandon the inexpensive gun after first few shots, as barrel degrades so fast that accuracy sharply falls even after first 3-5 shots and gun crew is more important than cheap gun itself
Additionally gun crew may carry Stingers, Arguments, grenades and other anti-tank weapons becoming specially trained anti-tank teams capable to continue the fight vs tanks when the gun becomes inoperable

Mostly it's HVG-40 with longer barrel, no ability to elevate it more than 20 degrees and much-much less durable due to using cheap stuff. Gun trailers for it may by dumbed down, too

Note that unfortified AT guns rarely survive long enough to fire more than few times when they face tanks.
Role of that = AT expandable weapon for ambushes or quickly made field fortifications. Never to be installed on vehicles,ships,fixed forts. Never supplied with HE shells.

Nadaka,
Hm, what numbers mean, then?
4 Cricket Chassis (10)
MAIW Battle Bus chassis (50)
Got it, numbers are for a piece not for all, right?

Edit: some minor stuff

[Nadaka]

OOC thread, guys, please, use it more often

In the world were no KV-1 exist yet I prefer cost\stealth\weight over shoot power for AT guns so
7.1 counterproposal 
Design unusual 40mm dedicated AT gun called ATG-40. This should have very long barrel. Should be light, cheap and capable to fire high velocity 40mm shells. It should never aim for longevity,  becoming too damaged to fire more after first 10-15 shots, thus unsuited for long term use. In practice crew should be trained to abandon the inexpensive gun after first few shots, as barrel degrades so fast that accuracy sharply falls even after first 3-5 shots and gun crew is more important than cheap gun itself
Additionally gun crew may carry Stingers, Arguments, grenades and other anti-tank weapons becoming specially trained anti-tank teams capable to continue the fight vs tanks when the gun becomes inoperable
Note that unfortified AT guns rarely survive long enough to fire more than few times when they face tanks.
Role of that = AT expandable weapon for ambushes or quickly made field fortifications. Never to be installed on vehicles,ships,fixed forts. Never supplied with HE shells.

Nadaka,
Hm, what numbers mean, then?
4 Cricket Chassis (10)
MAIW Battle Bus chassis (50)
Got it, numbers are for a piece not for all, right?

yes, those are the cost per part. The cricket has a chassis and a machine guns, the bus has 2 drive trains, a chassis and 4 machine guns. I did it that way so that common parts would have common factories, but without going into details like engines and such.

[Alexandria]

16, Design a 7.62mm AP round for assault rifles.

17, Design an assault rifle, it should have semi and full auto settings and have the improved ring sights.
Priority is on high ammo capacity and accuracy/control with secondary for rate of fire.

R, Begin mass production of the semi auto pistol for all troops, begin production of the RPG to deliver 1 to each group of 16 men.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

As 7.1 will not get voted and 78mm caliber  is a stupid thing to do...

Subproposal 7.2
Design new 55mm dedicated AT gun to be used both as towed gun and fitted into vehicles (future light tanks\tank destroyers\Righteous like ships) . Try to make the gun compact (but long barreled) so it can fit into future vehicles Also try to design it in a way that it could get installed into Cricket armor car, creating light Tank destroyer

I'd really prefer to not design AT gun at all as we have many more important problems and 40mm will be enough for the next few years, but between designing a barn door and useful weapon I choose useful weapon.
Please do not count that as vote for the 78mm gun

Finally I urge everyone to not vote for weapons with  sabotaging calibers like 78mm, 161mm or 319.75mm. If you like proposal at the very least counterpropose with same weapon but sane caliber.

For the guys who like to make weapons 20 years in future and  thinks that 40mm and 55mm are almost the same, please note that  55mm gun has 2.6 heavier shells by default, plus add the fact that new gun is a dedicated AT gun... If done right That 55mm gun will cover our AP needs for years to come

[Taricus]

Updating votes.


Industrial: B, C, D, H, I, J, K, Q
-Voting for Proposal R, under the condition that the AT weapons are manufactured to reach a 1:8 ratio instead.

Development: 1.1, 2, 4.2.1, 5.1, 6, 7, 14 and 16.

And one new Proposal:
Proposal S: Increase the amount of crickets being manufactured, to be able to comfortably transport every infantryman.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

I strongly suspect that voting for own proposals like above can lead to GM counting the vote twice. GM note that, quite a few players do that stuff

[Nadaka]

Due to post size constraints, this post will now contain the tech for all the decade of the 1930's. The first post will contain all tech from the 1920's and a relatively current status update.

Link to the first post:
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125538.msg4208222#msg4208222



Our special forces strike back at the Morovians, and they strike at our facility.
Tech and battle post: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125538.msg4235332#msg4235332

Spoiler: designs of 1930 (click to show/hide)

Popular Devotion ASW
Length: 50m (164ft)
Displacement: 180t (230t fully loaded)
Propulsion: 800kW
Speed: 40 km/h (35km/h fully loaded)
Armor: negligible
Crew: 30
Armament:
2 HVG-40 high velocity cannons
2 Hedgehogs
1 14mm HMG
Mine/Depth Charge system: up to 50 tons of ordinance

Tonnage Allocations:
20 tons advanced diesel propulsion (10 tons / 400kW)
100 tons destroyer parts
20 tons sonar system
10 tons mine laying equipment
20 tons Hedgehogs (2 systems)
10 tons cannons (5 per HVG-40)

This ship is practically the ultimate sub hunter. Her new high velocity guns will penetrate practically any surfaced sub, and its 14mm HMG will as well. She mounts 2 hedgehog mortar systems to allow greater saturation fire. The scanning sonar allows her to pick up subs more quickly while using less fuel to maneuver. This ship is practically the ultimate sub hunter.

Directional Explosives
These warheads consists of 3 nested cones, a copper plug inside a high explosive conic shell inside another copper conic shell. The explosive liquifies, compresses and accelerates the copper plug at high velocity against the armor, dramatically increasing its piercing ability.

Argument/Scorpion
Man portable anti-armor rocket

This weapon consists of a reusable steel tube welded to small plate to deflect the blast away from the shooters face that fires a relatively lightweight rocket. The warhead takes advantage of the new directional explosive to keep size to a minimum. The entire unit weights about 20kg and can regularly penetrate up to 25mm of armor or disable tracks or other sensitive equipment on more heavily armored tanks with a range of a few hundred meters.

UPX-1M
flash grenade
100 grams TNT
4 second fuse (+/1 1millisecond)

The flash grenade is essentially a compact self lighting magnesium flare. Non-lethal in almost every respect, though you could probably light someone on fire with it.

UPX-1C
stun grenade
100 grams TNT
4 second fuse (+/1 1millisecond)

The stun grenade is effectively a small explosive charge intended to cause maximum audible noise with minimal shrapnel. Less-lethal in almost every respect, it is unlikely to permenantly maim or kill someone.

named???
lighter than air long distance scout/bomber
This lighter than air ship acts as areal recon with the ability to travel significant distances and loiter over an area. It is also capable of carrying a variety of bombs, mines and depth charges. When combined with its range and endurance it provides a valuable supplement to our Anti-Submarine patrols. It is capable of loitering on site for as long as one week, depending on wind and how far it must travel.

 Mass: 20 tons
 Ordinance: up to 10 tons
 Crew: 4
 Speed: 40km/h

lightweight glider
This lightweight glider was developed for the purpose of transporting infantry units stealth-fully into enemy territory.

 Wingspan:15m
 Crew: 1 pilot
 Cargo: up to 1.5 tons or 10 soldiers

suppressors
These suppressors may be used on pistol caliber weapons to significantly reduce the noise of firing the weapon when combined with subsonic ammunition. On full sized rifles, they loose almost all of their effectiveness, simply making them somewhat less deafening when used indoors.

Morovia has not been deterred by our increasing ability to outfight their submarine threat and begins threaten from the air as well.
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125538.msg4241870#msg4241870

Spoiler: designs of 1931 (click to show/hide)

SMG
9mm SMG
Action: full auto
Caliber: 9x25mm
Overall Length: 500mm folded, 800mm with stock
Barrel length: 250mm
Magazine: external 30round box or 60 round drum.
RoF: 500rpm

V12 Aviation Engine
Aviation Engine
like most high powered aviation engines, this one requires a large amount of airflow and frequent maintenance that make it unsuitable for use in most maritime and vehicular uses.

Weight: 900kg
Power: 1200kw

Morovian Diesel Engine
Diesel Engine
Weight: 400 kg
Power: 300kw
Displacement: 10tons
Special: (fuel guzzling - short range)

Improved Maritime Engine
Diesel Engine
Weight: 2 tons
Power: 1200kw
Displacement: 20 tons
Special: low maintenance, fuel efficient - medium range at this tonnage allocation

Morovian Electric Engine
Electrical Engine
Weight 5 tons
Power: 300kw
Displacement: 5tons

improved Electric Engine
Electrical Engine
Weight 5 tons
Power: 400kw
Displacement: 5 tons

Morovian Battery
Weight: 1 ton
Capacity: 60 kw hours

Improved Battery
Weight: 1 ton
Capacity: 80 kw hours

sub
Length: 40m
Displacement: 190 surface, 300 submerged
Armor: 20mm conning tower only
Crew: 20
Propulsion 1200kw diesel electric (1 diesel engine, 3 electric)
Speed: 41km/h surface, 26km/h submerged
Submerged Duration: 5 hours
Armament:
1 40mm HVG-40 deck gun
2 torpedo tubes with 10 torpedo's
Flaw: +10% sonar detection range.

Allocations:
20 tons diesel
15 tons electric
74 tons batteries
40 tons sub parts
6 tons torpedo tubes
20 tons torpedo's
5 tons deck gun
5 tons armor

Parachute
This parachute will safely deploy up to a 250kg payload to the ground. Allowing you to solve your surface impact problem with depth charges as well as deploy paratroopers.

Rubber Boat
Carries 8 men.
Is rubber.

UPX-1F
Frag grenade
100 grams TNT
4 second fuse (+/1 1millisecond)

The frag grenade combines a small explosive charge with a fragmenting steel shell for additional lethality.

http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125538.msg4246292#msg4246292

Spoiler: designs of 1932 (click to show/hide)

Portable Radio
This backpack sized radio can provide your infantry squads two way voice communication with a range measured in tens of kilometers, allowing squads equiped with such units to rapidly report enemy troop movements and call in artillery barrages from remote forwards positions as well as improve the delivery of orders down the chain of command.

RADAR
Radar facilities can be constructed capable of providing early warning of incoming enemy aircraft to a range of 100km.
Special:
precise - can detect not only the range and heading of the aircraft, but can identify their size and number as well.
compact - using compact antenna's and systems this radar system is small enough to be deployed aboard ship (displacement 20tons), instead of fixed land facilities.

fast fighter

This all metal fighter aircraft with a powerful aviation engine sports features fully retractable landing gear and a devastating pair of 14mm HMG. It is the fastest plane you know of and features good agility for a plane of its speed. It carries a single under fuselage munition mount.
Wingspan 12m
Weight: 3800kg
Engine: 1200kw
Armament: 2 14mm HMG
Crew: 1
Speed:
610km/h unencumbered
563km/h with 125kg of ordinance.

80mm AA gun
Eschewing the lighter weight of general purpose gun this 80mm AA cannon is designed to provide an accurate and stable platform for firing high velocity shell at higher elevations.

Caliber: 80x600mm
Weight: 2.5 tons
ROF: 12 rounds per minute
Special: high velocity

80x600 shell
medium cannon cartridge (usually timed fuse)
Bullet: 80x120mm
Cartridge: 120x600mm

Hammer
This heavily modified K-1 based vehicle mounts a 160mm medium velocity cannon in a casemate structure on top an almost typical K-1 chassis. This chassis has lightened the armor to 25mm and has been widened slightly to fit both 400kw engines. Topping it off the casemate structure housing an 8 ton 160mm cannon.

Weight: 45 tons
Width:4.2m
Length: 7m
Height: 2.5m
Engines: 2x400kw
Armor:
front/sides/back:25mm 75 degrees
top/bottom: 10mm
Speed: 45 km/h
Crew: driver, commander, gunner, loader x2

7.62x39mm round
light rifle cartridge
bullet: 7.62x15mm
Cartridge: 11x39mm

Your standard rifle round is far and away, to powerful to be of any use in an assault rifle. In order to accomplish this task, your engineers took a note form the Morovian carbine and produced a lighter, milder bullet that should be less punishing to its user under automatic fire. In order to retain effective penetration the bullet is typically solid steel instead of lead, producing a lighter faster bullet for the given amount of propellent.


unnamed assault rifle prototype
Action: full/semi auto
Cartridge: 7.62x39mm
Weight: 5kg
Length: 880mm
Barrel Length: 415mm
Magazine: 30 round replaceable external box double stacked.

http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125538.msg4253299#msg4253299

Spoiler: designs of 1933 (click to show/hide)

Heavy AT cannon
Very High Velocity Cannon
This massively reenforced cannon has been designed to stringint technical specifications to achieve a higher velocity than most high velocity cannons. This requires an unusually thick barrel and breach to withstand the pressure of the high volume of propellent being discharged. It has anti-armor power comparable to our 160mm in a little over half the weight, and a much flatter trajectory.

caliber: 78.3x680mm
Weight: 5 tons
RoF: 6 rpm
Special: very high velocity

78.3x680mm shell
bullet: 78.3x140mm
Cartridge: 160x680mm

cargo airplane
Wingspan: 20m
Weight: 5000kg
Engines: 4x260kw
Cargo capacity: 5 tons
Speed: 400km/h unburdened
325km/h fully loaded or 2 gliders
250km/h 4 gloders or fully loaded + 2 gliders

helicopter
helicopter
Crew: 1 pilot, 1 passenger
Cargo: up to 100kg or 200kg without passenger.
Speed: 100km/h
Engine: 260kw
Flight time: 3 hours at full speed, 6 h at hover

Shark
dive bomber
WingSpan: 12m
Weight: 5500kg
Engine: 1200kw v12
Crew: 1 pilot
Armor: 6mm hemicylinder underneath pilot and engine, + 6mm pilots seat back
Armament: 1 HVG-40 (20 rounds), 1 14mm HMG, 3 bomb mountings
Speed: 420km/h
250kg ordinage: 385km/h
375kg ordinance: 370km/h
500kg ordinance: 355km/h
750kg ordinance: 330km/h

Glorious II
Armored Cruiser
Length: 100m (328ft)
Displacement:3320 metric tons
Propulsion: 12mW (16000hp)
Speed: 45 km/h
Armor: 120mm 5.2 meter tall band
Crew: 320
Armament:
2 320mm cannon turrets (forwards)
2 160mm cannon armored turrets (forwards, 1 side, back)
2 160mm cannon armored turrets (back, 1 side, half of other side)
4 double 40mm HVG-40 turrets
1 helipad
1 radar

Tonnage Allocations:
400 tons 10ximproved maritime engines (with fuel/support for long range deployment)
1000 tons cruiser parts
1000 tons armor belt (Density of steel plate ~8g/cm3 giving 125million cubic cm of armor, or enough for 2 100 meter long, 120mm thick, 5.2 meter tall bands)
320 tons of main 320mm cannon armored turrets (160 tons each including turrets)
100 tons of 320mm ammunition
400 tons secondary 160mm cannon armored turrets (100 tons each including turrets/ammunition)
40 tons tertiary 40mm cannons (5 tons each including turrets/ammunition)
40 tons Hydra turrets (5 tons each including turrets/ammunition)
20 tons radar

Scorpion/Argument II
The resulting design is built on the previous Scorpion AKA Argument design and uses the same launcher and propulsion. However this one has a warhead aproximately twice as wide that protrudes from the end of the launch tube. It is capable of penetrating up to 40mm of armor, but has a slightly reduced range as a result of the added weight.

Note: the previous RPG weight of 20kg of weight included 3 rockets, with these new rockets that will be 2

Assault Rifle Prototype b
As assault rifle, except 750RPM ROF

truck
Based on the earlier Cricket chassis, this center engine, rear wheel drive truck replaces the back half track with a pair of rugged duely axles. This truck is not armored. The trucks bed is higher and longer than the cricket, providing more than 3 times the cargo space. This truck is capable of up to 80km/h over roads.

http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125538.msg4258541#msg4258541

Spoiler: designs of 1934 (click to show/hide)

  Cod 240mm Howitzer Carriage
 Built on the same basic foundation as the MAIW Battle Buss, this massive gun carriage allows the transport of a 240mm Howitzer gun mounted on the front of the vehicle. The back of the vehicle carries a light crane and a roller track to allow shells to be lined up for firing. It is shrouded on all sides by a 15mm armored skirt capable of stopping shrapnell and small arms fire.
 
 Weight: 80 tons + gun
 Speed: (25km|22km|19km)/h
 Armor:
 15mm front/sides/back
 none top/bottom

 240mm cannon shell
 Weight: 500 kg solid or 250kg explosive
 Cartridge: none, charges are metered explosive packages.
 
 240mm howitzer prototype A
 Medium Velocity Howitzer
 A more or less standard medium velocity howitzer with a mildly fluted barrel.
 Weight: 20 tons
 Propellent: up to 75kg of powder
 Max Range: 15km
 Rate of Fire: 2rpm
 
 240mm howitzer prototype B
 Medium Velocity Howitzer
 A howitzer with a longer reenforced barrel.
 Weight: 30 tons
 Propellent: up to 125kg of powder
 Max Range: 25km
 Rate of Fire: 1.5rpm
 
 240mm howitzer prototype C
 High Velocity Howitzer
 A howitzer with an even longer reenforced barrel and doubly thick breach block.
 Weight: 40 tons
 Propellent: up to 200kg of powder
 Max Range: 35km
 Rate of Fire: 1rpm

Proximity Shell
This proximity shell is capable of performing as requested.

V12 Tank Diesel Engine
Power: 900kw
Weight: 1000kg

Capia is defeated!
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125538.msg4272237#msg4272237

Spoiler: designs of 1935 (click to show/hide)

K-1 Thunder Mk2
Weight: 48 tons
Width: 4.2m
Length: 7m
Height: 2.2m
Engines: 2x400kw diesel
Front armor: 35mm 42 degrees
Side armor: 30mm, 62 degrees
Rear armor: 25mm, 62 degrees
Top/Bottom: 20mm
Crew: 4
Speed: 55km/h
Armament: 78.3mm AT cannon, 1 coaxial Patriot MG, 1 GVS-14 above the commanders hatch

Badger Mk3
Weight: 16 tons
Length: 4.5m
Width: 2.7m
Height: 2m
Engine: 400kw diesel
Speed: 70km/h
Crew: 3
Front armor: 20mm 42 degrees
Side armor: 15mm
Rear armor: 15mm
Top/Bottom: 10mm
Armament: 1 40mm HVG cannon, 1 coaxial Patriotism, 1 patriotism mounted above the commanders hatch

120mm cannon
This somewhat more compact naval artillery piece features a high velocity shell for 1.125 times more penetration when compared to our 160mm artillery.

Weight: 8 tons
displacement: 40 tons (+armor, 80ish tons)
Max Range: 20km
RoF: 6 rpm

T-2 Ratel
This tank slightly smaller than the K-1, but is much more heavilly armored. It carries a single 900kw diesel engine and 32 tons of armor. Unlike previous tanks, this tanks secondary machine gun is mounted in the hull instead of in the turret. Each Ratel is fitted with a radio system

Weight: 70 tons
Length: 6.7m
Width: 4m
Height: 2.2m
Speed: up to 45km/h in ideal terrain
Engine: 900kw diesel
Speed: 45km/h
Crew: 5
Front armor: 70mm 45 degrees
Side armor: 50mm 45 degrees
Rear armor: 40mm 45 degrees
Top/Bottom: 20mm
Armament: 1 78.3mm HVG cannon, 1 Patriotism in hull, 1 Patriotism mounted above the commanders hatch

Unnamed Naval Patrol Bomber
This flying boat features an internal bomb room with racks for up to 2 torpedo's or up to 4 tons of other bombs. These bombs are wenched up and out of doors above the water line so that they can be dropped from racks at the base of each wing.

Wingspan: 28m
Weight: 28000kg fully loaded
Engine: 4x1200kw
Armament: 1 14mm HMG nose turret, 1 14mm HMG rear turret
up to 4000kg ordinance
Crew: 9
Speed:
unburdened: 350km/h
Fully Loaded: 280km/h

Radar Airship
This airship uses the new v12 high altitude engines for several times the power of the original airship. It mounts 4 HVG-14 machine gun positions and 4 Patriotism mk3 Machine gun positions. In addition to its crew gondola it can carry along 2 additional gondola's. A radar unit providing a mobile air detection system, A bomb bay capable of dropping 20tons of munitions or a unit capable of launching, retrieving, refueling and rearming up to 5 low speed aircraft (such as your biplanes) on hooks. It can operate at long range and loiter for nearly a month.

 Mass: 100 tons
 Crew: 15
 Speed: 80km/h

GVS-25 Jackhammer
Caliber: 25mm
Action: full auto
Weight: 100kg
Barrel: 1400mm air cooled
Length: 1600mm
Magazine: belt fed
RoF: 300 rounds / minute
Effective range: 3000m

25mm high velocity round
Bullet:25x40mm
Cartridge:30x200mm

Improved Sonar
It produces a directional accoustic signal pulse capable of detecting submerged vessels by scanning a 45 degree cone and providing an approximate range, heading, depth and class of contact out to a range of 4km.

Weight: 20 tons
Special: scanning, depth finding

Select one bonus:
More range: 8km
Easy upgrade: no refit required for old ships

Arguement Mk3
This new rocket is incompatible with the previous rocket launchers and comes in a single shot disposable tube. The size of the shaped charge penetrating warhead is increased again, requiring a larger rocket to propel it towards its target. It is capable of penetrating up to 55mm of armor and weighs 20kg.

Improved V12 Aviation Engine
This lighter and more efficient engine design is optimized for fuel efficiency and retaining horsepower at high altitude with a more advanced fuel injection and air intake system.

Weight: 800kg
Power: 1200kw
Special: fuel efficient, high altitude.

Assault Rifle Prototype c
Assault Rifle
Action: full/semi auto
Cartridge: 6mm Morovian
Weight: 4kg
Length: 880mm
Barrel Length: 415mm
RoF: 900 rounds / minute
Magazine: 30 round replaceable external box double stacked.

6mm Morovian
Light Rifle Round
Bullet: 6x12mm
Cartridge:10x42mm

[cheesemcmuffin88]

Propasal First Time so bear with me

18.0
I propose upon the construction of a large air ship with the ability to carry a large storage gondola capable of carrying at least 2tons of cargo.
I do not propose this for military purpose but if we could use it as a flagship for a great white fleet of sorts. As well as a transport vessel for suplies and as I stated in the OOC go across the world seeking allies because 2 against 1 which looks like whats coming i dont like those odds.

Fixed Number

[stabbymcstabstab]

15.0
I propose a cheap, light, durable air dropable field piece.


We should have a group of workers fix up the bombed out wharf, and fortify it.

[Brood]

You 2 try again. Mesor already used 14-15 almost 12 hours ago, Alexandria was project 16-17 the two of you are 18-19. If your going to join at least get the numbers right.

[adwarf]

I vote for 1.1, 2, 4.2.1, 5.1, 6, 7, 14 and 16

Proposal 20 Project Phalanx
The Phalanx takes its inspiration from the Battle Bus, while taking the frame, and core parts of the vehicle it moves away from being a transport. Its overall armor is thicker, and its old patriotism turrets are gone instead replaced with an armored hydra turret on top of the cargo bay and two armored and enclosed turrets mounting patriotism machine guns. The cargo bay is instead refit to carry a small team of generally five to seven men with the rest of the space containing all the necessary items to erect a defensive position. Sandbags, Patriotisms, crates of ammo, etc.

It is meant as a support vehicle, providing cover AA fire, resupply for ground troops, quick establishment of strongholds, and more.

OOC thread, guys, please, use it more often

In the world were no KV-1 exist yet I prefer cost\stealth\weight over shoot power for AT guns so
7.1 counterproposal 
Design unusual 40mm dedicated AT gun called ATG-40.  This should have very long barrel. Should be light, cheap and capable to fire high velocity 40mm shells. It should never aim for longevity,  becoming too damaged to fire more after first 10-15 shots, thus unsuited for long term use. In practice crew should be trained to abandon the inexpensive gun after first few shots, as barrel degrades so fast that accuracy sharply falls even after first 3-5 shots and gun crew is more important than cheap gun itself
Additionally gun crew may carry Stingers, Arguments, grenades and other anti-tank weapons becoming specially trained anti-tank teams capable to continue the fight vs tanks when the gun becomes inoperable

I just need to point out this a terrible idea, if you're going to make an AT gun you make them to last not to degrade over time. Doing that costs more manpower, more resources, and more lives in the long run and thats exactly why they aren't made to be disposable like you're trying to do here. What happens if those 3 to 5 shots don't finish off the enemy tanks, what happens if that last shot could have wiped out an infantry battalion, etc. By making it a disposable shitty weapon you're removing the whole point of making a primarily AT gun for one, wasting resources, and possibly costing lives or machines of war.

[Brood]

I'm with the dwarf man on that, I'll do my votes in the afternoon tomorrow since I have work in 5 hours I'm going to sleep.

[Nadaka]

You 2 try again. Mesor already used 14-15 almost 12 hours ago, Alexandria was project 16-17 the two of you are 18-19. If your going to join at least get the numbers right.

Its important to use unique numbers, but be nice.

[tryrar]

Can we get an updated proposal list?

[RAM]

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Code: [Select]

Misc:
RAM-Engineers: optical, automated mechanism, ergonomics, social.
10e-Engineers: chemist, 2 electronic, aerospaceengineer

Design:
try-01: self-propelled field gun
Ukr,try,3_1,adw-01.1s: 115mm Howitzer for Cricket(seems unrelated)
try,Tar,10e,3_1,adw-02: R.A.D.A.R.
Ukr,3_1-02.1s: hire 4 electricians(as the engineer allocation.)
RAM-03: Continue Destroyer and radio projects.
try-03.1c: Glare reduction sights
-03.2c:[try] upgrade recon balloon
try-03.3c: Destroy all workers!
try-03.4c: squad radios.
RAM-04: Twin-bi-dual-plane *addendum=105 degree wings
try-04.1s: Twin engined bomber.(seems to have little relation...)
Ukr,try,10e,fun-04.2s: Fighter plane(completely unrelated)
3_1,sta,adw-04.2.1s: wing mountings.
RAM-04.3s: Cover and air.
Tar,adw-05.1s:? (might be 4.1) okay, 2 votes, I missed something? I double-checked between 4 and 6...
Tar,adw-06: 'medium' tank chassis.
Tar,try,10e,3_1,adw-07: Heavy tank cannon.
Ukr-07.1c: cheap HVG-40 (basically unrelated, but both antitank guns...)
Ukr-07.2c: 55mm antitank gun
Ukr,10e-08: 80mm anti-aircraft.
try-08.1s: High velocity
Ukr,10e-09: heavy bomber.
try-09.1s: medium
10e,try,Bro-10: carrier airship
10e,try-11: massive static guns.
Bro,sta-12: automatic grenade-launcher.
Bro,sta-13: drop-pod+incendiary bomb.
RAM-13.1s: no bomb
mes,adw,try-14: continue radio project.
mes-15: synthetic polymers.
Ale,adw-16: 7.62mm rifle round.
Ale-17: 7.62mm assault rifle.
che-18: Diplomatic/cargo airship.
-19: sanity
adw-20: engineer vehicle?

Production:
try,fun-A: Heavy armoured vehicles(K-1 and BattleBus)
try,fun-A.1s: With 400kw diesel engines.(May require a design proposal.)
Ukr,10e,3_1,sta-A.2s: K-1 and Crickets. With single diesel-(designish)
try,Tar,10e-B: Popular Devotion ASW escorts.(more political than production)
try,Tar-C: Submarines.
try-C.1s: name "Lionfish Class Attack-"
Ukr,10e-C.2s: Convert righteous production to submarines.
try,Tar-D: Home port defence.(political)
RAM,10e-E: Airships and fighters
try,10e-F: new shipyards or double capacity.
try,10e-G: Install new engines into larger ships(could be design).
try,Tar,fun-H: Major refit of Glorious in drydock to use new weapons and engines(also designish).
Tar,try,10e-I: SVA-10 and ASh-30(smg) instead of mosins.
Tar,try,10e,3_1,sta-J: Educational facilities.
Tar,try,10e,3_1,sta-K: Military training facilities.
Ukr,10e,fun-L,: Paratroops.
10e,try-M: airship names "People's Eye", "People's Guardian"
10e,try-N: Inspirational, if obvious, airships.
10e-O: airships
10e,3_1,sta-P: Office
3_1,sta,?Tar-Q: Zephyr instead of Wolverine and Feather.
3_1?Tar-Q(duplicated):produce Cricket instead of Battlebus
Ale-R: Semi-auto pistol and R.P.G.

Political:
RAM-a: Ethical statement.
RAM-b: Declare war against Capia.
Ukr-c: Surprise attack against Capia.


Vote
included unbolded votes
again
this too
Taricus voted for Q after the split.
tryrar basically voted for 14 with 3.whatever...

not vote
not including this. I believe it was left unbolded intentionally...