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[Ukrainian Ranger]

I dislike 3.2 as it will bring friendly fire to our subs.... And will do little Ram's stuff in counterproposal

counterproposal 3.3
Design stealthy, silent  (use our acoustic engineers for that)  small, long ranged unarmed submarine for spec opc, capable to carry 10 soldiers with weapons

Also, announce via all diplomatic channels to all countries that our country will never attack unarmed vessels not carrying troops or military equipment, like Morovian cowards do and make that our policy forever.

Also, stuff below is important, so, vote, please

Vote 17 and 17.1 subroposal, Start with simple and somewhat  bulky ship based radar for detecting other ships, do the prototype on our cruiser to learn how to fit the stuff into a ship and solving navy only problems(remove mines and equipment first  as those are unnecessary) 

[Brood]

Also, announce via all diplomatic channels to all countries that our country will never attack unarmed vessels not carrying troops or military equipment, like Morovian cowards do and make that our policy forever. [/b]

...... No. Raiding supply lines has been part of war since practically the beginning of organised war. It's a valid and logical tactic.

[RAM]

More to the point, it isn't that convincing, seeing as we are almost an island, and our shipping is currently being massacred, It will probably be viewed as petty whining. Now if we sneak a flotilla of airships round the back of Moravia, build an airship dock, land a massive force of elite troops, mine every road, collapse every bridge, burn down half their depots, plant dummy explosives on their largest dam, get out again before they figure out what is going on, and then turn around and say, "this is how it is done properly, how about we choose not to...". Then folk might take notice...

[Ukrainian Ranger]

Moving that from OOC thread

P. Petition government to sign 10 yearlong  non-aggression pact with our neighbor (name it Capia) and consider selling them 200 Feather biplanes as a sign of our goodwill and friendly intentions. (we have much better fighters already and will produce more). Try to buy some ships from them instead as a first step of our cooperation. While friendship with capitalist is bad, monarchists are simply the bigger evil.

[Brood]

Uhm dude I already used O.

[10ebbor10]

Q. Suggest to our generals that the airships would be excellent to make accurate top down maps of our land, and surrounding countries. Topographical maps are awesome.

[adwarf]

I support counter-proposal 3.2, 9, 10, 11, 12, 15 and 16.
Tactical proposals I support H, and I

[tryrar]

.....I've lost track of what all the proposals are. Can someone post an updated list?

[10ebbor10]

Assuming nobody snuck in proposals by editing them in behind me, this should be it.

If they did, bad for them, I guess.

Note: Votes are not added

Votes: 1,2,3.2,16,17,18
Production votes: A,B,C,D,G,Q

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Design:
1) Large Semi rigid Aircraft: RAM,Ukr,10e, Brood, mesor, kahn, tryrar Alex
2) Parachutes in all forms and shapes: RAM,10e, Brood, mesor,kahn tryrar Alex
3)Single Shot Sub(S.S.S.): Ukr,kahn
     1. Multi Shot  and additional weaponry
     2. Fast stealth sub
     3. Special ops transport sub
4) Ethics and Badger-II., kahn
4.1s)Add gunner positions to Badger-II.: RAM
5) Glareless sight. And Ballon upgrades. And new destroyer.: RAM, Brood, mesor, kahn, tryrar Alex
      5.1) Fast worker destoyer. (Commerce raider)
6) 2x400kW engines for the K-1: Khan
7) 110mm cannon: Khan
Aviation Petrol Engine: Ukr, Brood, mesor, kahn tryrar RAM Alex, PI
9) Submachine Gun, Brood mesor, kahn tryrar Alex Ukr, PI
10) Bulletproof armor, Brood, mesor, kahn tryrar Alex
11)AP Mine; mesor, Brood tryrar RAM Alex
12)Infantry Radio; mesor, Brood tryrar Alex
13) Sub power plant: tryrar RAM Ukr
14) Grenade: tryrar RAM Ukr, PI
15) AT Mine Alex Brood
16) rubber boat Alex Brood 10ebbor
17) Radar, PI
18) Rocket, PI


Production:

A) Expand airship fleet to ten. (More or less if practical): Ukr,RAM,10e, Brood, mesor,kahn tryrar Alex
B) If finished, construct 2 Large Airships: RAM,10e, Brood, mesor, kahn tryrar Alex
C) Construct some glider planes for training.: RAM,10e, Brood, mesor, kahn tryrar Alex
D)air and heavy factories.: Ukr kahn tryrar
E)Produce Dogma and Arguments.: RAM,Ukr, Brood, mesor, kahn tryrar Alex
F)Popular Devotion and repair our naval.: RAM,Ukr, Brood kahn tryrar Alex
G)Pure research.: RAM kahn tryrar
H) Special Forces equipment: Brood, mesor, kahn tryrar Alex
I) SF Glider Training: Brood, mesor, kahn tryrar Alex
J) Suggest commando assaults: Brood, mesor, kahn tryrar Alex
K) Naming AT weapon Brood tryrar Alex
L) Consolidate Factories tryrar RAM
M) Convert PopDevotion tryrar
N) Grenade naming tryrar RAM
O) Unknown
P)  NAP with Capia
Q) Topographical Maps

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[Brood]

15 and 16 both have a vote from Mesor as well, other then that it looks ok.

[RAM]

C'mon people, vote for the Badger II, we will never have enough K-1s...

[tryrar]

Make it independent of ethics and you might get more votes

[Ukrainian Ranger]

Vote for 3.2. just to let it have more engineers, but I strongly dislike look like enemy part

[RAM]

Make it independent of ethics and you might get more votes

You, sir, are unethical.

[tryrar]

Make it independent of ethics and you might get more votes

You, sir, are unethical.

Pairing something that might be actually quite useful with something else just so that something else will get voted on won't get the useful thing voted for if people disagree with you on the something else