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Re: A Game of Thrones: Every time somebody uses the spoiler tags take a shot.
« Reply #2010 on: August 02, 2017, 02:12:42 am »

Also, how is cersi going to repay her debts given her house is broke and the country is war torn?

I thought that was the whole point of storming Highgarden, to secure the gold mines in the Reach?
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« Reply #2011 on: August 02, 2017, 07:42:46 am »

While yes, Stephen Dillane basically said he didin't really enjoy the show, he also criticized some certain parts of plot burning Shireen and some other things, IIRC, and said he completly didin't understand where his character was even going at that point.
Don't mistake Game Of Thrones as some sort of fan project - it's hardcore money grubbing venture, the actors basically dictate nothing (one of first thing that comes to mind is Maisie Williams saying that the chase was way overblown). They get paid to play, and they play their parts, some of them might enjoy it, some may don't. Dillane is proffesional, he is one of actors who went as far as changing his accent (not by much, but he noticeably mimics Renly's), and if there was more for him to play, he would. But there simply wasn't.

It is true that Stannis in the show acts in a way completely opposite to what Stannis in the book stands for.

Stannis in the book is an extremely rigid person for who law and hierarchy are everything. But he is also an honorable man and would NEVER do what he did in the show.
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Re: A Game of Thrones: Every time somebody uses the spoiler tags take a shot.
« Reply #2012 on: August 02, 2017, 01:16:20 pm »

I thought that was the whole point of storming Highgarden, to secure the gold mines in the Reach?
The Reach doesn't really have gold or silver mines, but it does have ludicrous sums of wealth in the form of manpower, farms and produce. The latter two inevitably produce loads of wealth because they are very productive, and food prices have gone up due to winter and warfare (notably with the Tyrells having been the only House wealthy enough to just give away food. For free).

It is true that Stannis in the show acts in a way completely opposite to what Stannis in the book stands for.
Stannis in the book is an extremely rigid person for who law and hierarchy are everything. But he is also an honorable man and would NEVER do what he did in the show.
Yeah book Stannis goes so far as to say if he gets 20goodmenned that all of his men (and he has at that point loads, owing to iron bank shekels), should support Shireen's rightful claim to the Throne. Show Stannis extinguished his own claim to the throne. The show characters kinda stopped caring about feudal succession, but if Sansa's anything to consider, few care at this point

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« Reply #2013 on: August 03, 2017, 01:36:57 pm »

How's book Sansa compared to show Sansa at this point anyway?

Is she the model of girl power like show Danny is?
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« Reply #2014 on: August 03, 2017, 02:21:44 pm »

How's book Sansa compared to show Sansa at this point anyway?

She's basically a camera that everyone lusts after more or less ineffectually. Her "plotlines" basically boil down to her being adjacent to other people being clever while being pretty much clueless.
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Re: A Game of Thrones: Every time somebody uses the spoiler tags take a shot.
« Reply #2015 on: August 03, 2017, 02:38:14 pm »

How's book Sansa compared to show Sansa at this point anyway?
Book Sansa is digging her claws into little Arryn, thereby securing a force that is loyal to her and subverting Littlefinger's powerbase, whilst trying to avoid being implicated in the murder of aunt Lysa Arryn. She wants go go home North, and is building up her strength to do so. Show Sansa got sent to the North and while she has been faffing about for a considerable deal, and did lose seasons of character development, she is now in charge of the north.
So in summation;
Book Sansa works hard to go back to the North as a leader. Show Sansa does nothing and becomes leader of the North, and then has to work hard as its leader. The only other significant difference I suppose is that book Sansa is more melancholic while show Sansa is irascible

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« Reply #2016 on: August 03, 2017, 06:04:20 pm »

Does anyone remember how Sansa got sent to the Boltons?
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« Reply #2017 on: August 03, 2017, 06:11:53 pm »

ShowLittlefinger thought it would be a good idea.

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« Reply #2018 on: August 03, 2017, 08:31:24 pm »

The most reasonable explanation for Littlefinger's actions is that he gave Sansa to the Boltons in order to do 2 things:
1. Reveal Sansa's survival to the world without Littlefinger taking the blame for having rescued her from Cersei.
2. Fracture the Bolton-Lannister alliance.
In doing so he would be able to send Sansa to the North and use Lannister men and gold to take the North. Attack the North, somehow making it past Moat Cailin (he may have inside agents who could undermine the Moat Cailin garrison, we do not know the full extent of Littlefinger's network), attack the Boltons while they're expecting Stannis from the North, kill whichever warlord is left standing after the battle of Winterfell and assume control.
This plan would make it clear that Littlefinger does not love Sansa, as it discards Sansa and potentially causes her death for a strategic move that would not at all require sending Sansa to the Boltons. Considering how he started the war of the five kings, breaking alliances is not something that comes difficult to him. It is likewise possible that he could've simply marched north on the pretext of reinforcing the Boltons against Stannis, wiping out whichever force survives when he arrives. He also provides no explanation to Sansa as to why he sent her to Ramsay, and when questioned on whether he knew Ramsay was the little shit he was, Littlefinger tells Sansa that he didn't know - despite his job profession being a spylord who knows who everyone is and what their vices are. His only love is for controlling the Iron Throne, this would be a change from before wherein Littlefinger wanted to control the person in the Throne instead of sitting on the Throne himself. Yet if this was the case, he would have seized the North for himself, as he has two mandates to seizing the North (he has one from Cersei, he could also seize it for Sansa and deprive her of any real power, ruling the North just as he rules the Vale by proxy), and is in command of an army which has no realistic opposition in the North. Yet has delegated his own army to Sansa, elected Jon Snow as King in the North despite having no control over Jon (and indeed, Jon being hostile to Littlefinger) and has not ostensibly told his Vale men what the hell they're achieving in the North - having received no reward to be there as of yet.

Most importantly, the Boltons in the books marry a Stark - one which is actually a fake. The Boltons do this because ostensibly, no one besides Jon Snow is alive who can tell that the Stark they have is a fake, because Rickon and Bran are presumed dead, Ned and Catlyn are dead, Arya presumed dead, Sansa missing and Rob dead. Oh, and I suppose Theon could tell who was a fake, but as Theon was under their control that only made their case stronger - they could use Theon to prove their fake Stark was real. The book Boltons do this to strengthen their claim as the Northlords are understandably upset that their act of treason and ungodly breach of guestright has led to their mastery, and so the Boltons need the legitimacy of a Stark marriage to rally the Northerners around them. The show writers evidently felt this plot point was important, but introducing fake Stark would be too distracting or too complicated for the audience to deal with. Thus they decided to write Sansa into the fake Stark storyline, with the obvious consequences that followed.

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Re: A Game of Thrones: Every time somebody uses the spoiler tags take a shot.
« Reply #2019 on: August 05, 2017, 04:28:32 pm »

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« Reply #2020 on: August 05, 2017, 04:30:54 pm »

Put a spoiler on that. Not everyone have seen the leaked episode.

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« Reply #2021 on: August 05, 2017, 04:32:23 pm »

... you think that´s a spoiler?
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« Reply #2022 on: August 05, 2017, 04:32:56 pm »

Well.. Some might consider it that.
Better to be on the safe side, just in case.

edit: then again.. People seem to be less concerned about spoilers of late.
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« Reply #2023 on: August 05, 2017, 04:41:37 pm »

But jebus do I hate   
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« Reply #2024 on: August 05, 2017, 04:45:58 pm »

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