wait wait wait hold the fuck up
who was the guy called smalljon umber? Like who was he really? He wasn't smalljon
Smalljon died at the red wedding
If smalljon died at the red wedding then who the fuck was smalljon here
FACELESS JON CONSPIRACY
or they're just compressing character roles again
Greatjon Umber escaped the Red Wedding and made it back North, but he's mentioned as having died offscreen of illness and they replaced him with Smalljon Umber instead
Tfw as well you realize they also wasted Greatjon Umber, being a Northlord who made it back North from the Red Wedding alive - mentioned to be killed offscreen in S6 lol
People forget that the reason why Rickon and Osha went to the Umber stronghold was because Greatjon Umber was not at the Red Wedding and the Stark boys knew Greatjon Umber was the most loyal of their bannermen still alive. Smalljon Umber is a last minute addition as he only appears in S6 and has no foreshadowing, so D&D just wanted Rickon out of the show ASAP as his storyline wasn't going anywhere and if the Umbers joined the Starks then the Starks would have enough forces to fight the Boltons without CIA, and that just wouldn't be as shocking and edgy
Smalljohn did not die in the Red Wedding in the show, in fact we saw him alive earlier this season. I swear half the complaints of plot holes in this thread are people getting confused with the books. Most of the other half is people not paying attention
That's because you're confused and aren't paying attention, Smalljon Umber did not exist in S3, he only exists from Oathbreaker onwards
He's not like Blackfish where his absence could be noted if you payed attention, or Greatjon Umber by virtue of omission - he's a mandem of whole cloth
We saw horses colliding into each other and Ramsey indiscriminately firing arrows into the battle line.
Which does not a corpse rampart make
Yeah.
Also, why didn't CIA like, warn the Starks he was coming? For a guy that smart, it's fucking retarded not to coordinate to the point that if his army had been one hour late all his plans would have failed.
I also love how we don't see a single Valeman once they've rekt the phalanx.
He's not on the sides of Starks, he's only got two loyalties - to himself and to his Tully loli.
To this end he does not want to inform Jon Snow of Sansa's reinforcements, because they are that - Salsa reinforcements, not beholden to Jon Snow. And Salsa definitely seems to buy into the fear that Jon Snow might be willing to kill her to cement his claim to the North, not convincingly so, but enough that she wishes to keep her reinforcements secret.
One of the great pivotal moments showing Salsa's ambitions has to be when she cautions Jon to wait before attacking, whilst Jon scolds her because this is all they have and they won't be getting more reinforcements. If Salsa told Jon that there were reinforcements coming, Jon Snow would have been able to win the BOB with minimal casualties.
However, by letting Jon Snow lead the attack unsupported, he has lost the majority of his northern forces, his wildling tribesmen, Stannis remnants and even his giant Wun Wun. His army is atomized and Jon Snow is no longer a rival capable of challenging the Salsa claim to the Norf.
Of course there is a major plot hole in that if they had waited too long and the Stark host was entirely destroyed before the Valemen arrived, the Valemen had no means of laying siege to Winterfell in Winter without Wun Wun and no means of supplying their army through Winter. Wun Wun would have also won the BOB if he wielded any weapons or armour, such as a tree or the bow used by one of his extinct friends from the assault on the Wall.
But seriously, how do you even get a wall of corpses like that? I don't even. Such a thing is only possible if the attackers are determined enough to climb the pile, and either the defenders are stupid enough to climb the other side to meet them on the top, or have enough missiles to kill them at the apex.
The scene didn't really show boltons forces cutting down snows while they clambored over their own kin, and snows attackers weren't archers so I suppose it was just a matter of lets go climb that wall of bodies?
Dramatic scenery obeys no logic
How did Brienne not meet the Valemen on the way anyway?
I mapped out Littlefinger's known appearances and where his forces are mentioned as being present and though their travel routes are never specified, these are just the fastest and I'd assume they're what Littlefinger would take
It's 90% likely Littlefinger was already marching to Winterfell when Sansa finally sent for his help, acting on his own initiative to attack the Boltons as soon as he heard the battle was about to begin
With Ramsay's line of communication to Moat Cailin cut due to no garrison and the Stark host. Of note is that Littlefinger would have had to travel through White Harbour to reach his own army, and the people of White Harbour will have noticed the Vale Host - but the Manderlies despite "supporting" the Boltons do not send any troops to either the Boltons or the Starks (their loyalties lying with the Starks, especially after their own kinsmen were Red Herring'd). This would make it plausible that they would not send any ravens to Winterfell to warn the Boltons of the massive Vale host approaching Winterfell, as to do so would also require explaining to Ramsay why they haven't sent any reinforcements of their own - they don't know if the Vale host is arriving to reinforce or destroy the Boltons. The Vale army also seems to spend quite a bit of time encamped at the neck, which I assume is the time they spend waiting for Littlefinger to reach their forces and give them the order to go North or go home.
Brienne begins her journey south in "The Door", so either Littlefinger's armies had already gone further north than Moat Cailin or Brienne took a ship to White Harbour after the Vale host began marching North
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