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[penguinofhonor]

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[nenjin]

The answer to all your points is that she believed she was doing them for the greater good in the battle against the Dark.

Which I would buy if there was any tangible evidence in the show she was contributing to the greater good. Some little aside. Some scenes. (The only ones of which she's had are meant to make you question her motives.) You only see her when she's preying on the other characters. And so far, she's just gotten Stannis laid and a lot of people burnt at the stake for the Greater Good. I get there's some sort of long-game plan here. But ostensibly, she does nothing except cast spells/perform very obviously evil rituals when it benefits her agenda.

Sorry, I find her in particular, again just from the show, totally out of place and about as subtle as a thrown brick. I can get in to most character's arcs, but there's nothing to go on with her. Just cool aloofness, blah blah blah the Night blah blah blah terrors blah blah blah sex blah blah blah kill your children. And it's gone on for multiple seasons now.

[Xantalos]

Also no one mentions Balon.
Remember, Mel?
You said your magic would kill Balon?
No word he's dead yet.

Sup, Mel?

[penguinofhonor]

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[nenjin]

I guess I'll take one bit back. I think there's a scene from last season where she's talking to Stannis' daughter alone maybe, and she actually talks about herself, a little bit about who she was. The change in tone, I was like "Woah. She sounds like a real person, not some dreadfully overacted high priestess of Satan." And then in the next scene, she went right back to it. There's a character there somewhere, it's just taking for fucking ever for it show itself. And what is being shown is a stereotypical evil temptress. I'm sure there's more there, just get on with it already.

[Sheb]

Well, she's an extremist. The idea is tha Rohllor is supposed to be the only way to fight the White Walkers.

[Yoink]

Well. Uh. That last scene was pretty dumb.

[penguinofhonor]

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[Yoink]

The dragon itself looked cool, but the rest of the scene was really dumb.
Apart from the fact that no-one noticed the... wait, should I be putting this in spoiler tags?

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Anyway, no-one noticed the guy sneaking up on Danaerys until Jorah made that ridiculous spear-throw, but the worst part was how all the masked guys (I can never remember the group's name, I know it's the Sons of Something...) were happily sacrificing their lives to try and get close enough to kill Danaerys, but then the dragon showed up and they all ran away.

And, for that matter, why did they keep throwing spears at the dragon when their actual target was standing right there as well? I'm sure she would take far fewer spears to kill than the huge scaled monster that's breathing fire at them, and once she was dead they could GTFO.

Other than that scene the episode was pretty good. I was really worried about what the Dornish prince had planned for Bronn, and the whole scene involving what's-her-name was horrifying from the get-go. Ramsay sneaking in and fucking shit up was kind of annoying, but at least this time he didn't do it shirtless and whilst stabbing dozens of armed and armoured men to death with a knife whilst half naked.

[MDFification]

Melisandre speaks for Rh'ollor some, but she definitely seems to have her own agenda as well. I would not equate her actions with her god's intentions completely.

Her magic is unreliable, but she takes what it tells her and her theories on who Azor Ahai is without questioning it.

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Which would explain why in the books, when she asks for Azor Ahai, she just gets visions of John Snow. Of course, he knows nothing.

As for the recent episode; It was sad but not unexpected. It was inevitable.

[Digital Hellhound]

You should really put that in spoilers, Yoink. I fortunately saw the episode already, but the main reason I avoid this thread is unmarked spoilers. You probably ruined some poor person's day. You monster.

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I'd lose track of my objective and throw spears at the dragon if, you know, a frickin' dragon appeared. They were strangely polite to wait for Dany to have that touching spear-pull moment with him, though - maybe they ran out of spears.

Man, the Shireen sacrifice was heavy-handedly foreshadowed from the start of the episode, especially with the 'we'll see again yay' scene. Didn't make it any easier to watch - we were basically writhing in our seats all 'NO STANNIS WE KNOW WHAT YOU'RE THINKING DAMNIT' the whole way until the burning. That a dragon would swoop in to save the day seemed pretty obvious in the last scene too. Same with Mom Wildling dying (though I didn't expect zombie kids!) in the episode before that. I'm used to GoT being full of surprises with its shocking plot twists, so it's actually been surprising things have gone pretty predictably recently. I'm sure there'll be some horrifying turn in the last episode.

[Sheb]

What I don't like about the dragon scene is that Danny left Friendzone and the Dwarf in an arena full of terrorists and yet I'm sure they'll be right.

[cerapa]

My predictions for the season finale:

Drogon eats Tyrion.
Stannis acts like an ashhole, Boltons act like butts.
Sansa has magic healing powers which cause Theon's balls to grow back.
Shit goes down and Sansa has something horrible happen to her.
Cersei acts repentant, and promptly headbutts the high sparrow. She is declared innocent by trial by combat.
Tommen sulks a lot. Decides to do something, then fails.
Tensions rise between the wildlings and the nights watch. Before a slaughter begins, Hodor suddenly appears and negotiates a truce.
Jon is warged into by Ghost, and he speaks of the coming winter.
Arya tries to seduce Meryn Trant, is rejected as being too old. This foils her assassination plan.
The Lannisters send their regards to the Iron Bank. They are granted an extension on their loan, mostly due to a brilliant singing performance.
Syrio Forel shows up and promptly jumps into a boat with Gendry and Rickon. They row off into the sunset.

[nenjin]

I was enjoying the arena scene until....

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Daenaryis has to prove how she's again the dragon queen. They really beat this one to death. It's not enough that her dragon showed up to save her. It's not enough that she stared deeply into its roaring mouth (for the umpteenth time) to the wonderment of onlookers. It's not enough that she has a tender mother/dragon moment while people are chucking spears at it. No, in order to fulfill maximum dragon wankery, it's time for a DRAGON RIDE. You knew it was coming, but seriously, the only way it could have been more overdone is if trumpets had played when she took off. Also, she has GOT to be running out of Unsullied at this point. For being such badass warriors, they've been dying to unarmored dudes with knives in droves. Maybe, I dunno, put down the damn spears and grab a short sword? Yeesh.

And yeah, my theory is that whoever Mellisandre has been communing with is not who she thinks it is.

Stannis' wife is an odd bird. She tried so hard to ignore his adultery, embrace his new crazy religion, even started hating on her daughter for no real reason. She almost keeps up the facade, until the screaming starts. I imagine she'll end up against a stake here before too long too.

Stannis the Sadness though, that's what he is now. Pity. I was starting to get to like him in this season, after having to sit through like two seasons of him skulking around his castle being mad he's not King, and burning people at the stake.

[Urist McScoopbeard]

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I mean... She rides off in the book too. So ya.

Melisandre is communing with the lord of light, she's just a cold bitch.

Stannis' wife is a fucking plank staked to the ground, she's not even real. You think those are REAL screams? Wrong. It's Stannis' imagination.

Stannis' story is arguably the most tragic one in the SHOW at this point.