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[Sheb]

To be honest, it's eaiser to miss something in a show, when you are passively consuming at the show's pace instead of reading.

In other news, the first four episodes were leaked and are now all over the internet. I really feel bad for HBO, they'll loose a ton of money following this.

[Loud Whispers]

So basically Yoink dislikes Danny because she's not Aerys the Mad. +1, Yoink. +1.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

No, because she's inconsistently incompetent/hypercompetent whenver the plot demands it. One minute she's a young girl who knows nothing in the ways of war nor Valyrian [with "" marks because she obviously is far smarter than her enemies credit her for, being knowledged in war and Valyrian], but then the next moment she really is a young girl who knows nothing in the ways of war and more. RIP Jorah, RIP Meereen, RIP Astapor, RIP muh dragins, RIP Khalasar, RIP Dany going to Westeros any time in the next century...

And let's face it, the greatest flaw of Dany is that she will never hook up with 2GOD and scorch all of Westeros until only based Tyrion remains eating all the fucking chickens to the tune of Cleganebowl

[Askot Bokbondeler]

Spoiler: y i think dany is bad character, idk if spoiler (click to show/hide)

I really dislike that she's like, the *last* descendant of the bloodline of *real kings*, the legitimate heir to the throne, and the only person with decent morals and a contemporary notion of justice and democracy. She seems somewhat anachronistic and out of place, mary-sue-y even, and a sort of apologia for monarchy or caste system. Targys are consistently shown to be *superior*. With the single exception of viserys, all other targaryens, even those that became bad later, were at some point better than everyone else.
The dragons are also the lamest things, a hint of cheap fantasy in an otherwise very interestingly developed world.

[ChairmanPoo]

Well, her murder-torture antics and whatnot weren't exactly saintly.

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She IS kind of a messianic figure. Just not a very nice or ethical one. She does try to be, after a fashion, I guess.

[Askot Bokbondeler]

it's more about her irrational and anachronistic obsession with freedom. In a world where basic survival is non-trivial, being a slave can have it's perks y'know, and being a slave owner is hardly the biggest crime one can commit. Not worse than being a monarch, just with a smaller population of subjects.

[penguinofhonor]

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[Sheb]

Yeah, that's why Jorah Mormon had to flee.

[ChairmanPoo]

Not even very ahistorical

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abolitionism#Abolition_in_continental_France_.281315.29

[Yoink]

Well, her murder-torture antics and whatnot weren't exactly saintly.

But that's the thing, one moment she's murder-torturing people, the next she's pardoning them and getting all teary-eyed about some peasant's problems. If she was super-nice all the time... well, I still wouldn't like her, but at least she wouldn't be contradicting herself quite so often.

[Flying Dice]

Well, her murder-torture antics and whatnot weren't exactly saintly.

But that's the thing, one moment she's murder-torturing people, the next she's pardoning them and getting all teary-eyed about some peasant's problems. If she was super-nice all the time... well, I still wouldn't like her, but at least she wouldn't be contradicting herself quite so often.

Personally that's why I like her. Her flavor of the Targaryen madness is manifesting in a decidedly more interesting way than "lol im a violent asshole" or "lol i like torturing people to death and raping people" or "lol dragon nomnomnom". At least that's how I choose to view it, heh.

[Orange Wizard]

I think the distinction is a little blurred in the TV series. It's more recognisable in the books that she hates oppression/slavery/whatever to the point of blue and orange morality. It makes her more interesting, sure, but I still think she's among the 90% of the main characters who are ignorant dickwads and totally deserve their deaths.

[Cheesecake]

PTW. Finally I found this! (Also, season 4 is leaked omfg yes)

[itisnotlogical]

Well, her murder-torture antics and whatnot weren't exactly saintly.

But that's the thing, one moment she's murder-torturing people, the next she's pardoning them and getting all teary-eyed about some peasant's problems. If she was super-nice all the time... well, I still wouldn't like her, but at least she wouldn't be contradicting herself quite so often.

It's been a good while since I last read the books, but I think book-Dany just learned how to play the game very quickly. She didn't like having to hold back, so she lashed out whenever her hands weren't tied. Towards the end, she was playing along with trying to appease every faction in Mereen but didn't like it one little bit.

[Loud Whispers]

I think the distinction is a little blurred in the TV series. It's more recognisable in the books that she hates oppression/slavery/whatever to the point of blue and orange morality. It makes her more interesting, sure, but I still think she's among the 90% of the main characters who are ignorant dickwads and totally deserve their deaths.

It's more recognizable in the books that she's got such a vapid hatred for slavery because she was sold into fancy slavery, also known as marriage. Ha.
I think the reason why Dany in the books is much more appealing is that she is much more defined; Dany starts off literally as a meek little girl, becomes a Khaleesi and then becomes Queen of the Beans in Meereen, and all in all a lot more of her actions are understandable. Queen Dany the bored and mildly aroused makes sense because she's incredibly isolated and cannot openly express any love for anyone.
Firstly because her Khal is dead, secondly because anyone else she marries will be purely for political gain. And of course, anyone who marries her will attempt to do so for political gain.

Spoiler: Book spoilas (click to show/hide)

Hence that chapter where Dany has sex with Hizdahr and is coldly joking to herself that his efforts to secure his reign with an heir over her will fail, as she is infertile

Relevant:

I grieve and dare not show my discontent,
I love and yet am forced to seem to hate,
I do, yet dare not say I ever meant,
I seem stark mute but inwardly do prate.

Written by Queen Elizabeth I, who book Dany is channeling just a little.
Queen Dany the arbitrarily good and bad at intrigue makes considerably more sense because it's made much more clearer that Dany is clever, a skilled statesman, but is still literally a very young woman who actually doesn't know much about the world or the people she intends to rule. The most recent highlight of this in the show was when Bluebeard Da-Actor-keeps-changing gives Dany various flowers sourced from the country and their uses, but it isn't quite the same as it being highlighted that Dany's only knowledge of Westeros is a red door from her childhood and that she wants to conquer a place and rule over people she knows only delusions about. At least both the show and the books make it clear that Dany isn't aware of her own predecessor's madness, right?
Queen Dany the arbitrarily just also makes more sense, though that's because we gain greater insight to her decisions. We know why she acquiesces or why she ostensibly switches between ruling through empathy and forgiveness or ruthlessness and then indecisiveness.

Ohhh... and she never gives out
And she never gives in, she just changes her mind

Which is considerably better than 'WE MUST NAIL ALL THESE GUYS ON CROSSES'
*10 minutes later*
'Hey Dany you did check that the guys you nailed up were actually the ones responsible right?'
>Danysfw

[Askot Bokbondeler]

Dany isn't aware of her own predecessor's madness,

she is. she talked about it and was lectured on targy madness by ser captain of the kingsguard on s05 e02