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[DJ]

Remember that time she burnt those leeches? That's the real cause of death. Also the real reason Walder Frey turned on Robb Stark.

[Xantalos]

Oh those?
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Book spoilers.

[DJ]

I'm pretty sure that was already in the TV series too.

[Xantalos]

I'm pretty sure that was already in the TV series too.

No, there's stuff about the leeches that's book spoilers.

[Yoink]

DJ, dude, WTF. That hasn't been revealed at all in the show. Edit: I don't think.
You should probably edit those posts(if they're real spoilers and not like the last time I freaked out over spoilers), and I think I'm just plain going to have to avoid this thread in future, as much as I like discussing the new episodes.

[Xantalos]

DJ, dude, WTF. That hasn't been revealed at all in the show.
You should probably edit those posts(if they're real spoilers and not like the last time I freaked out over spoilers), and I think I'm just plain going to have to avoid this thread in future, as much as I like discussing the new episodes.

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I should PM you, methinks. No spoilers inbound.

[Yoink]

Thankfully I'm pretty sleepy at the moment, and will hopefully have forgotten everything later today.

[DJ]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BX4LelSVfY

OK, so I was wrong, it was Stannis that did the actual leech burning.

[Xantalos]

There's more to that scene than what seems.

Spoiler: more a hint than a spoiler (click to show/hide)

Why didn't she infinitely leech Gendry and use him to kill everyone who opposed her, hmm?

[DJ]

DM wrath?

[Xantalos]

There's a reason, but again spoilers so I don't wanna ruin it.

[Sheb]

I guess Knick meant that Tyrion, despite being a prime suspect because of the cup handling, couldn't have been sure to be chosen as cupbearer. Did anyone else drink from the vase?

[Yoink]

That scene doesn't exactly mean that it worked.
Hence, telling us/me that it was the reason for stuff happening as opposed to poisoning still counts as book-spoilers...

When Melisandre killed Renly, now that was made very clear in the show.

Fakeedit: That was how I interpreted it.

[Loud Whispers]

Ok, so I got a minor detail about whodunnit wrong.

Spoiler: I shall be using only show knowledge to prove whodunnit, look above for the full answer on whodunnit. Keep in mind if you're just a pleb show watcher, you might want to wait till s04e03 before looking into this anyways (click to show/hide)

Obvious spoilers ahoy

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Olenna reaches her hand up to Sansa when greeting her.

I had to check over this one thoroughly to make sure it wasn't just her dress covering it up, but her necklace is definitely missing one of the crystals after Olenna greets her. You can see the little metal nib where the crystal was once connected to it dangling above her dress, the crystal just isn't tucked away - it's gone.

I was wrong in that I stated that Olenna was sitting next to Sansa, she was not. She was either lucky or had help getting the cup within her reach.

Margaery here motions to take Joffrey's cup from him. In the books there is nothing to suggest she was in on the assassination, but here she is the one who delivered the cup to Olenna. The coincidence is just too much to not consider that she was an accomplice.

The Lady of Thorns here is looking on as Tyrion takes the goblet - blinking repeatedly. Repeated blinking is a sign of stress of nervousness, something she would have no reason to be otherwise.

Mace was probably not in on it, he's looking on his wife in puzzlement as she stares intently at Joffrey. Mace is perhaps not as stupid as she believes him to be, but he is smart enough not to question her publicly at least.

The rest is history.

[Jelle]

Ok, so I got a minor detail about whodunnit wrong.

Spoiler: I shall be using only show knowledge to prove whodunnit, look above for the full answer on whodunnit. Keep in mind if you're just a pleb show watcher, you might want to wait till s04e03 before looking into this anyways (click to show/hide)

Obvious spoilers ahoy

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Olenna reaches her hand up to Sansa when greeting her.

I had to check over this one thoroughly to make sure it wasn't just her dress covering it up, but her necklace is definitely missing one of the crystals after Olenna greets her. You can see the little metal nib where the crystal was once connected to it dangling above her dress, the crystal just isn't tucked away - it's gone.

I was wrong in that I stated that Olenna was sitting next to Sansa, she was not. She was either lucky or had help getting the cup within her reach.

Margaery here motions to take Joffrey's cup from him. In the books there is nothing to suggest she was in on the assassination, but here she is the one who delivered the cup to Olenna. The coincidence is just too much to not consider that she was an accomplice.

The Lady of Thorns here is looking on as Tyrion takes the goblet - blinking repeatedly. Repeated blinking is a sign of stress of nervousness, something she would have no reason to be otherwise.

Mace was probably not in on it, he's looking on his wife in puzzlement as she stares intently at Joffrey. Mace is perhaps not as stupid as she believes him to be, but he is smart enough not to question her publicly at least.

The rest is history.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

The way Olenna reacted at the king's choking was also particularly striking, as if she was waiting for it. Also Sansa suddenly wishing to leave right before the deed is done, it's almost to obvious. Can't imagine whom else could be responsible but them, Sansa definatly had all the motives anyone could need, but can't quite understand what Olenna stood to gain. Wether Maergary is involved is is a mystery though.