Extend. Day ends in, what, 8 hours?
Lenglon:Irony: why didn't you post at all throughout toaster's witch claim? and why did it take you so long to post today?
Busy and distracted, and my posts tend to be fairly long. This also creates a bit of a snowball effect, in that the longer I wait the longer the posts need to be.
ToonyMan:@IronyOwl:
Your "who killed who" last night logic is dumb, remember how far ZU got by picking at my fucking grammar, nowhere. More likely than not, my brain-damaged logic has erred in some way. Stay calm and carry on.
However, now that I know you're not completely dodging, stop dodging. What was your thought process at the time, and why did it result in you saying what you said?
Uh, this is referring to who I thought killed Tiruin, correct? I said if it would be anybody, the witches would make the most sense or something. Dariush said they don't have a kill, but I have to place doubt on that. Especially with tonight's events with two deaths. I feel like I detailed my logic to this weeks ago.
Let's start from the top, then:
Also, if the witches have no NK, who killed Tiruin and ZU?
I can't say I entirely trust their word. So if anybody killed Tiruin it was the witches. Don't know about ZU, might be some weird ability they have being the Death Shaman and all. Either way somebody needs to revive them, unfortunately I don't have such capabilities.
Why so certain nobody but the witches have a kill, even though you say ZU might have killed himself?
Where do I say that? I'm more confident the witches don't have a kill. But the witches would want to see Tiruin dead so I listed it as the firmest possibility (though I admit the Death Shaman doing something as well is easily in the scope of things but the fact Tiruin went down last night too makes me think Zombie Urist killing himself and killing Tiruin as a bit OP, hence the witch claimed kill). I don't know any other roles that would exist beyond witches, life shaman, death shaman, and townies (possibly vigs but why would a town vig kill Tiruin?)
-Toaster asks who you think killed Tiruin and ZU.
-You say "if anybody" killed Tiruin it was probably the witches. You're less sure about ZU, but suspect maybe they suicided.
-I ask you why somebody else killing Tiruin isn't valid, even though ZU killing himself might be.
-You say witches
don't have a kill, but they do have a motive so they're the most likely anyway. You reiterate that the DS might have done something, but couldn't have killed both himself and Tiruin, hence it must have been witches again. You say you don't know of any other parties that would do that.
So, to recap:
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Somebody killed Tiruin
-Witches probably don't have a kill
-Witches probably killed Tiruin
-Third parties couldn't have killed Tiruin or ZU
-ZU might have killed himself, but not Tiruin
This seem right so far?
And I was completely right about Toaster (in an inverse way, but still completely right). I also made my own opinions before Dariush said anything, read the log I posted. Who do I still think is a witch? There is only one left and it has to be either you (or Lenglon if it somehow isn't you). And no, unfortunately I don't have concrete proof who the last witch is, but that would make it too easy anyway.
Do you have
any proof? Near as I can tell your case on me is "Fuck you." I don't recall your case on Lenglon at all.
LNCP probably changed my history to throw suspicion on my character (the same way he "isn't fond of hunting witches"). If you want that as a vote reason than sure, NQT seems fine with it though.
NQT was also fine tying the vote to save his scummy hide. Why would I care what he thinks?
Because I think NQT is town and you think NQT is town. If with both agree then his opinion should be completely valid.
Valid isn't the same as correct. Why bring this up if you're not going to do anything with it?
Yes, that's a plausible explanation. But given how much importance LNCP places on flavor, doesn't it seem more likely that it wouldn't be a red herring, and that those are genuine clues about your true nature?
Which is why I said voting me over it is perfectly fine. I have no counter-argument. I'm not going to lie.
That's twice now you're talking about what other people think rather than why other people should think that.
Okay? You're a dumb witch that can't figure a good reason to vote me but has been trying to for the last two days (and funny enough after I gave my spiel and voted Toaster yesterday, HMMMMMM).
These two seem rather at odds with each other, in addition to being an angry dodge in the latter case.
IronyOwl, besides being my obvious choice carrying over from yesterday, Leafsnail gets murdered by a plant thing and flips town (I think that's town?) so my doubts I had with agreeing with him are pretty much cleared.
I think so, and what is this, appeal to authority from a confirmed townie who listed a brief, unexplained "yeah that might make sense?"
Nope. I was suspicious of Toaster and voted him before Leafsnail even had an inkling of a clue. In fact, his vote on me was what gave me the excuse to say what I had planning. Don't get mad that your partner died and Dariush made a dumb move.
Eh? What does voting Toaster have to do with agreeing with Leafsnail while voting me?
birdy:First question. You have suspicions of Toonyman, so you voted against him. What I don't know however, is whether you suspect of him of being scum. Do you?
His whole being contacted by Dariush thing is probably something he and/or his partner could have fabricated, but it does seem strange that they'd have gone through so much effort. It's possible they attempted to use it as a method of setting up witches as not necessarily opposed to town (and providing [potentially false] information to town) without outing themselves, and then got caught by the "posting PMs is/would be permissible" thing and succeeded in making fairly lifelike forgeries.
All that being said, I'm leaning more towards the far simpler explanation of him being third party of some sort.
Hapah:Yes, that's a plausible explanation. But given how much importance LNCP places on flavor, doesn't it seem more likely that it wouldn't be a red herring, and that those are genuine clues about your true nature?
What do you think that would entail?
That is a tough one.
The "not fond of hunting witches" part, to be honest, strikes me as not especially malicious. Mainly it'd just be way too straightforward for the not-enthusiastic witchunter to actually be in LEAGUE with the witches! or something like that. Strikes me as more of a neutral or swingy thing to have flavor like that.
The not having children part seems more ominous, however. Why would that be a noteworthy detail? Is his house barren under his sigil of death? Was it easier to replace the real Viscount if he didn't have any children to get in the way? Is his wife's infidelity or lack of intimacy relevant to something?
I dunno. But I don't like the combination, especially on our liege lord.
-The gruesome killings did not begin until after ZU's death. This, while not bulletproof, is fairly compelling evidence that ZU is our Death Shaman.
They also didn't happen
immediately after ZU's death, though. You could almost as convincingly argue Toaster's death triggered them somehow.
-I believe both Shamans were recent (likely very recent) arrivals. Otherwise, this town would've been screwed if one of them was here for months or years beforehand.
I don't think that's necessarily true. Certainly Tiruin could have been here without any obvious problems, I'd think.
It might also make sense for the shamans to have similar backstories (that is, being foreign), but it could also make sense for them to be opposed. I especially like the irony of the Death Shaman being the one who's been here (and ideally respected and liked) all along, whereas the Life Shaman is a filthy outsider.
That said, it's true that our Life Shaman was foreign and at least one witch was foreign-replacing-native.
-A great many of our listed professions aren't something you could pull out of hat: carpenters, stonemasons, these lines of work need tools, materials, and (most importantly) property. I don't think anyone's ever seen a stonemason working on a streetcorner, yeah?
-(The initial flavor-claim compilation post is here, for those of you following along).
-Therefore, anyone that has property is likely not the Shaman. It's also worth noting that the one person who directly claimed outsider (Tiruin) turned out the be the Life Shaman. NQT, you're my go-to guy here: what can you add?
-This can likely be extended to anyone whose residence in the town can be verified to date back for some time (i.e. the Count probably isn't the Shaman, and he may be able to vouch for those living in the castle/keep/whatever).
-This doesn't help find Witches, but they're not my concern at the moment.
I'd love to add some more, but it's 3:30 in the morning. I'll try to stay on top of this tomorrow.
This might be true if the aforementioned was true. Let me see if I can round up everyone's early claims; this wouldn't really help us outside NQT's inspections otherwise.
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By "round up" I mean "quote Toony":
Soft-claims:
Toaster
I am Jean Petit, a farmer of moderate means. I have come into town with a wagonload of vegetables to sell this summer in the market. Said wagon is still sitting in the stables at the inn where I'm staying.
Dariush
I am Michiel Verdomme, a tailor catering to the wealthy customers.
Deathsword
I am Pierre Guiot, merchant of fine cloth.
zombie urist
I'm Denis Le Breton, an old-clothes salesman. Not an old, clothes salesman.
Ottofar
I'm Mathieu Gendre, a journeyman stonemason
griffinpup
I'm Estienne Moreau, a taverner in town.
Vector
"I'm Marie Bouvet, kitchen maid and widow."
ToonyMan
"I am Jacques de Crussol, 8th Viscount of Uzès!"
notquitethere
My name is Katherine Boulengier and I am a journeyman carpenter, new to this vile.
Lenglon
"I am Regnault Coullart, and I make a living making shoes."
Okami no Rei
I am Colin Fleury, Apprentice Cooper.
As a bonus I should mention Okami is withholding where he grew up.
Does the flavor mention where you grew up in?
Yes.
If so where does it say you grew up in?
I choose not to answer this question at this time.
Tiruin has been busy and Leafsnail is refusing.
Heh. Naturally our flavorcop is one of the primary suspects by this method.
Vector would also be a good one, but as I recall her replacement was murdered in the night and showed up town.
Okami was the Dark Child, wasn't he?
Mph. Nothing useful for me, unless I'm misremembering some replacements or NQT can confirm somebody as a traveler or something.