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birdyTiruin:As you were dying, the inquisitor asked you something... Do you recall what that was?
...I got nothing, really. Not a word, nor anything in my memory pre and post death. I put that under the end flavor of the day but as my response was disgust, I suppose it went along the lines of how the papal bull was written, and I was asked if I ever indulged in such. On why the captain said 'you chose well', I believe it went along the bolded line as stated in the spoiler below.
tl;dr: No, I have nothing on what he said, what he asked, what he wanted, or why I replied as such.
I'm deriving all information from my knowledge of history, and net sources.
UzèsThe Papal Bull as announced here.What was as I believe mentioned to me was this statement:
"[m]any persons of both sexes, unmindful of their own salvation and straying from the Catholic Faith, have abandoned themselves to devils, incubi and succubi, and by their incantations, spells, conjurations, and other accursed charms and crafts, enormities and horrid offences, have slain infants yet in the mother's womb, as also the offspring of cattle, have blasted the produce of the earth, the grapes of the vine, the fruits of the trees, nay, men and women, beasts of burthen, herd-beasts, as well as animals of other kinds, vineyards, orchards, meadows, pasture-land, corn, wheat, and all other cereals; these wretches furthermore afflict and torment men and women, beasts of burthen, herd-beasts, as well as animals of other kinds, with terrible and piteous pains and sore diseases, both internal and external; they hinder men from performing the sexual act and women from conceiving, whence husbands cannot know their wives nor wives receive their husbands; over and above this, they blasphemously renounce that Faith which is theirs by the Sacrament of Baptism, and at the instigation of the Enemy of Mankind they do not shrink from committing and perpetrating the foulest abominations and filthiest excesses to the deadly peril of their own souls, whereby they outrage the Divine Majesty and are a cause of scandal and danger to very many (...) the abominations and enormities in question remain unpunished not without open danger to the souls of many and peril of eternal damnation."
I have committed nothing.
Nothing as stated by the above. This gave rise to confusion until I browsed another related part.
The Malleus Maleficarum.Here, I compared what was given and myself. The only conclusion I can ascertain is the same conclusion I saw was wrong with the other witch trials proceeding such:
Women were persecuted due to their liberal nature (Yea, sexism was rife at this time. Gender-roles were more upheld and expected back then, and during this time any deviation from the norm caused more than suspicion).
...And I was being
very liberal, as far as I see it.
...But I'm confused on the relation of all of it. Uzes is in France while most of the related ideas in the first day pertain to Germany. If it was generalized into Europe, that also makes sense..but I can't grasp it right now.
ToasterTiruin:
I can really sense that mode of deliberate misunderstanding; replacing fact instead of query in you when you talk to me, here.
If he just wants to kill you, then he's not really a serial killer, is he?
Read better. It's an inference. You'd do well to compare that to what I said before.
Eh, I suppose.
Untrustworthy third party that we're probably better off without. I disagree with your assertion that it would be hypocritical to want to lynch you because you are third party.
Last night? Well, there was no kill. That doesn't say a lot because things like roleblockers and doctors exist. You posited that this death shaman would be able to kill if you died- while one could call you a liar because this didn't happen, it's plausible a death shaman kill was prevented somehow. It also lends credence to the theory of the witch team not having a kill (though, again, isn't conclusive proof.)
Why shouldn't we lynch you again? None of your claims about this death shaman (up to and including its existence) are provable, unless said person wants to claim and confirm what you're saying.
Where did I say the bolded part? Where did you glean that sort of info?
I'd like you to prove those claims along what you judge, by the way. How is it a 'none' point.
Right here:
Y'all have an SK in your hands, and the only thing I'm sure about him is that while I live, my very presence contains him from using his abilities-this is only a guess given my flavor.
Also here:
His power lies in death, either of himself and of others. My objective is to keep him alive, because my very presence keeps him from committing to his own. In killing everyone.
Posit:
Assume as a fact; put forward as a basis of argument.
Yes, that's what I can infer from a one-line description of him. That he's the total opposite of life, and that he means to stop any advance of life in the world.
Now you could take it as if his only enemy is me alone from that, however this goes against one piece of reasoning. Something you all saw earlier--my resurrection. Preceding death, I asked God (LNCP) what would happen if I died. He answered: Thy name and thy characterizing label shalt be known to the masses.
And I frowned.
Because that jived with my earlier suspicion pre-claiming third-party on whether I should claim or not. My only method of stopping him is
keeping him alive, so that clashed with the conventional way of winning: killing your foe.
I'll grant that you didn't directly say it, but the implication is obvious.
Anyway, what claims are you asking me to prove?
And I'll ask again since you ignored the question: Why shouldn't we lynch you again?
...Honestly, I don't know how you get away with blatantly accusing and not getting flak for it.
The claims I want you to prove are all your accusations against me. You mention me appealing to emotion, my changes in emotion in talking to NQT and yourself, me lying on several aspects as well as my case against you--the very reason why I kept on repeating it is because you firstly ignore it, then accuse me of lying, then at the last part in the day utter a
handwaving of the whole case against you--something very different from a townie who actually looks, and giving off the strong impression that you just don't like me here without going into detail on comparing why you think I claimed, as well as my case on you and seeing if it was right or not.
Like apathy. You're ok with lynching a third-party because--and I believe--as a veteran, you know that they are generally looked down upon.
Why shouldn't we lynch you again?
What if I played your game?
I don't care if you lynch me. You come up with your own reasons why or why not you should put your vote on someone. I already stated generally everything short of directly claiming--something I dearly frown upon here--and you just want me to state it for your...laziness?
Go ahead and waste a lynch again. I taunt you. Though I'd not be surprised if you aren't town by the end of this game given your total shift of attitude when addressing me.
But answer me along with the above: What did you think of the reason on why I claimed? I want your opinion here.
ZUtiruin: can u separate speculation from fact about death shaman and list all facts u kno about him?
You do know that as I give this, it will also mean information for him to use against me, right? Anyway, I'm at a disadvantage now given how the bias of people adheres like tar. I will be typing it up later as this is all saved due to work and stress and this frickin' storm raining and raining here. Though if you'd take the liberty, it's all in D1.
grififnpupTiruin:
Intentionally withholding information is anti-town.
What exactly is your wincon? What is DS's? (Death Shamon's?)
Are these wincons game-ending?
You can obviously self-revive, but I seriously doubt that it has infinite uses, so how many times can you revive?
The posts of yours that I have read reeks of emotional appeal. You seem to hate the very idea of us thinking that you're not town-aligned, and I personally think that you're not. I see no problem with lynching you a second day in a row, especially since a NK didn't happen last night.
Flavor is very important in this game, so let's look at the flavor at the end of day one and at the beginning of day two.
“Be happy, but do not rejoice yet; though we have killed a maleficar, there are many more yet among us.
-snip
Remember what happened yesterday - that was the proof. The proof that this town is plagued by the Satan’s associates, and any God-fearing man would do anything in his power to rid them from this earth!
The captain rejoins the others watching the group, now smaller by one.
“You chose well.”
Apparently we lynched the right person yesterday. The flavor certainly says so. I see absolutely no reason to repeat the success.
And I see absolutely no reason to explain to you given how stubborn you are without
thinking. I insult your ego.
> How is intentionally withholding information anti-town in this case? Pull out what I said in context, and attack it other than tattling it out and generalizing it. I clearly said I omitted information--now you address it like a man, boy.
> I ALREADY STATED MY WINCON. I have NO IDEA what the DS' wincon is.
Read.
Up.
Because seriously, this
is has gone beyond the point of stupidity and delved into the region of people not caring into the lynch that I wish I had multivotes to hit you and Toaster for
not reading at all despite how crucial you make this out to be.
As for it being game-ending, I'm leaning on not given how it's more of a duel on my side yet generally going along the lines of 'remove this disease from the body' where the body = Uzes and the disease = DS (Death Shaman).
I withhold how many times I can resurrect people.
The posts of yours that I have read reeks of emotional appeal. You seem to hate the very idea of us thinking that you're not town-aligned, and I personally think that you're not. I see no problem with lynching you a second day in a row, especially since a NK didn't happen last night.
> Does not quote posts.
> Accuses.
Ugh.
I seem to hate the very idea of you people thinking I'm not town aligned? No, that's your perception. I hate the idea of how people are
lynching blindly and on the matter that I'm a third-party! It's like frickin' racial discrimination! You announce something, then people attack it
just because of previous experience with it. That's wholly stupid in human philosophy.
You try being labelled, then have your words be skimmed over despite all you're poured into it--discarded in favor of 'hey what is ur x and ur y' along with 'y should we not lynch you' and all that crap. It's more of a personal factor than not, but it's just disgusting how it went along.
PS: The reason I declaim what the captain says is because
1. I've no idea what was asked to me.
2. The witch trials before, which I assume the context of the game is derived from, was truly faulty yes assumed by the general populace like they were doing the right thing. The context of the details of why those people were killed was also faulty.
However in this game, you know you lynched a
third-party. And you prefer that...Still? Without giving context to it?
That is truly a shameless act you're doing Griffin. Call this another 'emotional appeal'; I call it plain fact until you can make a reasonable point.
What did you think of the reason on why I claimed? I want your opinion here.
PPE: IO
"Hello there!"So after reading back on it, Dariush seems like he was actually trying prior to engaging in blatant lies and patently untownlike behavior. I'm not getting an intentional "lynch me!" vibe from him.
Which means he's either a witch or being retarded for no reason again. Or outwitting me by being far more subtle than I'd thought him capable of.
Dariush:
vomit
Okay, let us assume you're telling the truth. (there is still the possibility that you're simply LS's scummate, or simply a witch flavorcop, but I'll let those possibilities slide for now) Now riddle me this: how the fuck do botched and unfinished clothes (none of which are mentioned in my flavour, by the way) show that the person has been replaced by a witch, as opposed to being in the process of finishing or repairing them? And if we have been here for a day, why would anything that happened several days before that matter?
Hey Tiruin, how about you full-claim, in addition to stating everything you know about the DS?
So. NQT claims to have inspected things that don't show up in your flavor. You do not call him a liar for this, or indeed have any interest in him at all beyond defending yourself.
Why?
Tiruin:
Opposites happen. The longer the DS is kept from death, the weaker he becomes.
This is... interesting. Why couldn't/wouldn't you tell us that yesterday?
That would be giving out who I was, as I'm pretty sure he can also sense me.
Also, if you know the death shaman wants to die as soon as possible, why wasn't your hunting D1 influenced by that? Or was it? I would think going after targets that look like they're intentionally being scummy would be a good strategy, but I haven't noticed or heard anything like that from you.
In fact, do you or did you have any suspicions at all? I know you've been calling Toaster scum, but do you actually think he's a witch? Presumably you don't think he's a death shaman at all, right?
It was influenced by it. Toaster was being rather...well, insulting on tha tmatter. Yea, I think he's a witch.
I did NOT know that the DS
wanted [as in, his goal rather than an objective to gain power] to be killed, but nor did I guess this as a reasonable assumption; I assumed it given my knowledge of him. I only know that he wields the will and power of death and that he's my total opposite. I can resurrect people [yeah take that you heathen inquisitors], the clincher is that given that context,
I have no idea who he is, and what he can do except than infer.)
Err, clarifying: I compared my abilities to that notion of him wanting to die, and found it...unreasonable. Therefore I went with the next best conclusion: That he wants to kill people, and preferably his opposite so that nobody would stop him. Hence why I omitted stuff.
And yeah, I've a list of suspicions but I'm caring to withhold them for now [I only briefly read parts on others, but some posts attracted my eye before--I was too caught up on Toaster though to poke at them, and IRL factors didn't help my posting]. Generally, I'm poking at the suspicion of people in discriminating third-parties. I
do think he's a witch, as someone who actually cared (or rather, a third-party who isn't the DS) would've actually read my case and saw my crux on the matter. A fairly obvious crux. IF he's the DS then...I dunno. Insulting people and assuming their personality is too much for me to see him act in that kind of role.
I was going after Toaster primarily to gauge him being scummy, and the fact holds that he is being scummy. Though the passivity is noted as of late, I'm still not dropping what crap he gave me earlier. Figuratively.
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