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[Lenglon]

well, I suppose I would be. do you have anything else to add?
Seriously, please, inspect me if you are worried, I have quite literally claimed every single thing I know about myself. If you ask me a question that I haven't already answered, I'm going to have to PM LNCP for the answer.
I'm not a witch. If there is a witch crone, then that person has claimed a different role. I cannot defend against what other people have claimed, and I'm not the person with an inspect. you are.
"Well, either we're going down a theorycrafting dead-end, or the crone is lying. do you have anything else to add?"

[Solifuge]

Alright, I am officially here now. I've yet to finish getting caught up on events, so an Extend would be lovely. If that doesn't fly, I'll try to have something to contribute by tomorrow.

"I, Mathieu Gendre(Birdy51), claim Colin Fleury(Solifuge) as my long-lost younger brother."

If you have any questions regarding the matter, feel free to ask, but for now I will tell you this. We were separated at a young age. He was month's old when our parents fell ill. I was in the middle of my apprenticeship. When both of our parents died, I was taken in by my Master. However, he could not afford both of us. This left me no choice. I was forced to leave Colin in the care of a Monastery. Thus, that is why NQT asked Solifuge if he had grown up in one.

If you are my brother, you know more than I know. I can confirm that you know my name, and that I was raised in a monastery, where I was left as a baby. Me having an estranged brother seems plausible enough, though.

NQT:

I shall ask this one more time for I am done playing games here. Fail to answer this question, and I will be forced to consider you as scum. Who did you investigate to come across this information?

NQT, why do you need me to confirm this before you're able to explain how you came by this information? Am I to assume you have access to... family records or something?

[birdy51]

Extend

Yes! Kitty!

It's late currently for me, so I can't say much more on the subject just yet.

[Hapah]

Because a multi-use (or God forbid unlimited use) daytime res seems a bit over the top, even for a bastard.

Why?

It just seems like it would be to me, is all. I could see them getting one to get the Death Shaman back on his/her feet, but any more than that would make keeping the DS and/or witches alive really easy, right?

Toaster: Anything to say?

Anyone: Did Dar fit the profile for the Maiden? What was the deal with his shop?

[lordnincompoop]

The Day has been extended to Saturday, 8PM GMT.

[Toaster]

I greatly appreciate the extend.


Busy day (and yesterday sucked for B12 time) so I'll post when I am able.

[Shakerag]

birdy51:

Shakerag:

birdy51:  If I were to say that I was watching where you went last night, how would you react?

I would ask the question, "What did you see?"

To the best of my own knowledge, I did nothing last Night. However, others may have visited me without me knowing, which is just as informative. Is this the case?

Hell, I don't know.  I was just trying to see if I could bluff a reaction out of you.  Unvote.


ToonyMan:

@Shakerag:

ToonyMan:

bluh bluh stuff about death shaman

Okay, so you got contacted by Dariush because he thought you might be the death shaman, but you think that I may be scum because he actively dismissed the possibility of me being it?  Clearly, he has no clue who the DS is, so why would his thinking I'm not the DS peg me as scum?

Ah, but Dariush does know who the rest of the witches are.  If he claims you aren't the DS then he must have some reason for that, no?

Oh, yeah, that makes *a lot* more sense looking at it sober.  I'm going to go out on a limb and suppose then that Dariush didn't think Vector's meta-play was shouting "death shaman jester here" and that is why he said what he did. 


NQT:  So what's your case on Lenglon again?   Do you have reason to believe that whether a witch is a crone/mother/maiden would have an effect on who they chose to impersonate? 

Extend

[lordnincompoop]

Quicktopic quoting is allowed.

[ToonyMan]

@Shakerag:

ToonyMan:

@Shakerag:

ToonyMan:

bluh bluh stuff about death shaman

Okay, so you got contacted by Dariush because he thought you might be the death shaman, but you think that I may be scum because he actively dismissed the possibility of me being it?  Clearly, he has no clue who the DS is, so why would his thinking I'm not the DS peg me as scum?

Ah, but Dariush does know who the rest of the witches are.  If he claims you aren't the DS then he must have some reason for that, no?

Oh, yeah, that makes *a lot* more sense looking at it sober.  I'm going to go out on a limb and suppose then that Dariush didn't think Vector's meta-play was shouting "death shaman jester here" and that is why he said what he did. 

Makes sense.


@Leafsnail:

ToonyMan: If the answer to the above question is yes, please quote as much of your conversation with Dariush yesterday as possible (avoiding quoting anything from LNCP, of course).  If it's no, please paraphrase it as closely as you can (asking LNCP if it's ok to post before doing so).

Quicktopic quoting is allowed.

Here it is then (from oldest to newest):

Spoiler: I Laid the Ghost of His Gifts at Last With a Lie (click to show/hide)

Hi there. As you can imagine, I didn't contact you just because I could. I, and the other witches along with me, suspect that you're a certain supernatural entity, whose wincon we do not exactly know, but can imagine, and who is greatly relevant to _our_ wincon. If you are such, I'd like you to claim so, and claim otherwise if you are not.

Now, while it would certainly help us both if you _did_ turn out to be this entity, I have a bit of both good news and bad in either case. Point one - we are not hostile to the town. In fact, they don't concern us at all. Once our wincon is fulfilled, we will leave this village, thus allowing the town to win (probably) without having to cause the one we're looking for to lose. On the other hand, you may or may not know about a huge-ass magical rift nearby. _That_ is dangerous and is what we came here to seal, and for that we need to know if you're the entity we're looking for. In short, regardless of your alignment, we would appreciate you cooperating with us.

As for the bad news? Well, let's just say we have a resurrection that doesn't work on witches and that gives a one-day invulnerability. If you're the one we're looking for, that should tell you enough.

Well first off, the fact you had Dariush contact me either means Dariush had to contact me or nobody else I suspect is on the witch team, probably.

Anyway, I suspected some greater threat (not because of my role but because of what people have said Day 1), but I'm unfortunate to report I am not this greater entity to help you on your way.

The awkward problem here now being, I'm town, through and through (I'm probably the most townie player in the entire game even), and a mafia member just contacted me. My wincon is indeed to eliminate all witches. I know LNCP is boasting the puzzle aspect of the game so I'm not going to start tomorrow with "oh my god lynch Dariush now!!" because that feels really lame.

However, I'm afraid if I keep my mouth shut all of Day 2 I will be killed to keep my silence the following night. I guess you could say you don't have a night-kill or something, but I'm not too trusting. How am I suppose to trust my enemies enough to not say anything tomorrow, at least by the end? You did pull a big gamble, but I'm not sure how I'm suppose to proceed now...I'll cooperate through most of Day 2 at least to see if anything comes up.

Dariush or MOD question:
Does this quicktopic last forever now, even during the Day?

I have this feeling that supernatural entity is something all the mafia and third-party want to destroy. Tiruin seemed aware of it too. I don't think any town players are aware of it.

EDIT:
The title of this chat is a quote from "Heart of Darkness".

...Ooookay.

We indeed don't have a kill. I don't know whether or not there will be one tonight (or at any other time), but if there'll be, we won't have any part in it.

Since you claimed town, we have a vested interest in keeping you alive, in case you're lying. Why? Well, because the entity I was speaking of is the Death Shaman. All signs point to him becoming empowered if he dies. Thus, at this point any death will work against us, including yours. _Especially_ if you're lying and are indeed the shaman. Our full wincon is making him 'alive and unable to die' and Tiruin 'dead and unable to resurrect', by the way.

Also, there is no point in us killing you at all - if our wincon were getting rid of townies, I wouldn't have contacted you, would I?

Sounds good then. I found the Tiruin lynch as a bad idea, but it seems to have helped you and the other witches quite a lot. I believe that you guys probably don't have a kill, going by past WCs.

A few questions though:

1. Did you (Dariush) contact me because you are the only witch that can?
2. Finding the Death Shaman is going to be a bit harder for me, since unlike you guys I won't know who the other witches are and could possibly point my finger in the wrong place. I highly doubt you'd divulge your entire team, but do you have any general advice for me Day 2 because otherwise I'm going to play normally.

EDIT:
I would be very happy with staying alive, thank you.

I'm also confused about the Tiruin thing. If your goal is to keep Tiruin 'dead and unable to be resurrected' that either means he's out of the game for real now (you guys would never res him) or there's other people who can resurrect, possibly the "good guys" and I'm working with the entirely wrong party.

I wouldn't be surprised if there's another group trying to keep Tiruin alive and the Death Shaman dead. I'm not really sure though.

Also, how is the Death Shaman suppose to stay dead if you guys have a res? The moment he gets lynched he would be back alive during the night. I guess there's that span where he's briefly dead.

1. Yep, I am the only one who could do that.
2. About the only advice I can give is 'watch out for jesters' and 'try to secure a no-lynch', but the first is obvious and the second is rather hard.

Our wincon mentions 'unable to resurrect', not 'unable to be resurrected'. That may simply be odd phrasing, or may imply that Tiruin had some kind of self-resurrect. (possibly making someone lynch-immune? Maybe that was exactly what the ward did? Maybe even an automatic second life?)

Also, I suspect that Tiruin had a resurrect he could have used to re-bind the death shaman if the latter managed to get himself killed. Thus, if he got Tiruin out of the picture (or caused him to misuse his res, or if I'm wrong and he didn't have it in the first place) and we somehow spent our resurrect (either on him or otherwise), he would have died for real and cost the game for us and Tiruin.

That feel when you're scum and still have no idea what is happening.

I find it odd that the witches would be able to win with the town. If I "eliminate" the witches by having you guys leave the game from winning that should be fine, but that also means every witch and town player would win, and that's bizarre. That would be quite a lot of people I'd hope.

In any case, that's my largest suspicion.

Possible Death Shaman picks:
Leafsnail - didn't soft-claim and possibly acting scummy on purpose
Vector - not really playing, might be on purpose
Ottofar - didn't seem as concerned as NQT

Probably not Death Shaman:
NQT - did not want to die at any costs
Everybody else - never racked up the votes really, unless they plan on acting out at a later point

Definitely not Death Shaman
Dariush - Witch Maiden
ToonyMan - Viscount
Tiruin - Life Shaman

While Vector is probably just busy IRL, I agree with your other two picks (especially LS, who was my second pick after you) and can add ZU, who bandwagoned Tiruin closer to the day end with no explanation whatsoever.

Yeah I can see it being ZU too. Tomorrow is going to be weird...

EDIT:
I'm not sure why I was a Death Shaman pick. I was the only player not voted once Day 1!

Gasp

Vector and Ottofar both need replacements, come on guys.

Because 1) you responded strangely to my mention of the shamans at the beginning of the game, 2) I suspected that your defence of NQT was intentionally bad, 3) both you and Tiruin mentioned not wishing to hunt witches.

1) Wow I don't even remember that.
2) My defense of NQT was pretty bad mainly because I was pretty sure he's not a witch (and I still bet he's not a witch considering his attitude against you).
3) I wasn't going to lie.

Tiruin is back alive, just as I expected.

Uh oh Witch Maiden, you're gonna get lynched at this rate. Unless we lynch Tiruin.

Hrm, I'd be surprised if Toaster isn't a witch.

Well, my contact died...

I omitted anything LNCP said just in case.

[Lenglon]

hunuh, well then, here's a straightforward proposition:

could the real witch crone please step forward?

"If, as you say, you are not our enemies, then we have no reason not to work with you as long as you show yourself. at least one of you, to represent you all before us. I at the very least am willing to hold off on lynches until we figure this death shaman thing out. If you can win with us, by trapping the death shaman alive, then please, help us do it."

either the witches are lying, or they are not. If a representative of them steps forward today, then I'm perfectly willing to take them at their word, and no-lynch today, and in fact no-lynch for several days if given the chance. by coming forward and telling us who they are, they're giving us a potential free lynch if townies continue to die and we reach a LYLO state. this isn't worth it to them unless they're telling the truth. if one of them doesn't step forward, then that is a signal that they aren't actually willling to co-operate with us, and likely do require the town to lose for themselves to win. in which case, I say we should let the witch hunt continue, and attempt to win with Tiruin if given the chance, rather than win with the witches. or possibly just win on our own, whichever seems the most likely to give us victory.

[Leafsnail]

How did you know Dariush was the Witch Maiden?

[Shakerag]

Yeah ... reading that over, given what Tiruin was saying before and what Dariush was saying in that chat, it kind of does seem to indicate that letting this death shaman chap die is A Bad Thing.  Tiruin also seemed to indicate that people dying in general would power up the death shaman if I'm remembering correctly (and she was interpreting correctly).

Question is, what state would the game be in where the death shaman is unable to die?  Perpetually no lynching doesn't seem like it would *guarantee* "unable to die". 

Which makes me think that perhaps the death shaman can only "die" under certain circumstances, likely relevant to certain other players being dead or alive (i.e. able or not able to use certain abilities). 

Regardless, it does feel like lynching is a bit of Russian roulette right now.  No lynch.

Also contemplating if a massclaim would be effective.

[Leafsnail]

Question is, what state would the game be in where the death shaman is unable to die?

Witch majority.

[ToonyMan]

How did you know Dariush was the Witch Maiden?

Me?  It was mentioned in the PM LNCP sent me when Dariush made contact and the first reply of the quicktopic by LNCP.

[Toaster]

Hapah:

So you're not even going to look at the line of reasoning? You're just going to jump on me because the text was blue instead of red? Would YOU ever use the ability Toony has described?

Don't worry, I looked at it.  I'd just like to point out that you're taking the witch words at face value.  How do you know Dariush was telling the truth?


Lenglon:  I'll grant that I never gave your referenced post a great reply (other than "don't buy into Tiruin's crap," which still holds) but I'm curious why you ignored it all of D2 if it's such a big thing.  What happened there?

I'll say it again:  I am *fully aware* that NQT answered that question.  He deflected attention after answering it.  I have said this many times.  You're also misrepresenting me:

When he got pressed on it, he said that returning a variation of a questioner's question back to the questioner, even after answering the question themselves, is scummy. that is nonsense.

As worded, this isn't true.  Returning a question is fine.  Returning a specific accusation like that in an attempt to get pressure off yourself is not.

Finally, Tiruin's so-called lie she called me out on- there simply is no lie.  She was making crap up at that point.


NQT and Leafsnail:

Toaster— Okay, enough bullshit. Being a farmer doesn't make you a mother, having children does. Do you have children or not?

Toaster's answer to my question is very strange, now that I look at it properly.  I stated that I was looking for a literal answer, and yet he responded with a vague thematic answer.  I suspect that he isn't lying, but I don't see how he could've given said that unless he knew he was a "witch mother".

No, I don't have children.  You get a vague answer because the solid answer is... none of the above.  Which of the three do you call a married man in his thirties with no children?  Too young for crone, no kids for mother, but married to strike out maiden.  I figured "none of them" wouldn't fly for an answer so I had to take some liberties.  I suppose if you want to call that old enough for crone, then crone fits better, but I don't.


Birdy:  Sorry if I missed you saying this, but are you saying you have a Town wincon or a Brother wincon?


Shakerag:

birdy51:  If I were to say that I was watching where you went last night, how would you react?

I must say, this is one heck of a limp-wristed scare attempt.

Regardless, it does feel like lynching is a bit of Russian roulette right now.  No lynch.

And how long would you go around no-lynching?  Same question to Lenglon.