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[Ukrainian Ranger]

Offtoping

Too early for assault rifle argument is not valid at all

First Assault rifle was designed and produced back in 1915! - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fedorov_Avtomat. It had some flaws, but it was working

But you need Schmeiser's level of experience in small arms and combat experience of WW-2 to design something as good as AK-47 (I am 99.99% sure that Kalashnikov has nothing to do with AK-47, it's an obvious development of Sturmgewehr 44, almost a copy, and most likely was designed by captured German engineers at Izhevsk factory, but USSR could never admit that and named a local  commie self-learned  "genius" as inventor)




Aren't they look like different versions of the same gun? Hell, versions of M16 look more different than that.

[Guardian G.I.]

AK-47 and Sturmgewehr 44 have completely different internal construction. However, Hugo Schmeisser greatly helped Soviet gunsmiths to master the cold stamping technology, which was extensively used in the AK design.

Let's not turn this game into a weapon argument thread, shall we?

[a1s]

Secondly, did I ever state I used the real gun at all? I stated that was the weapon used yes, on a computer, running simulations that cost a couple of hundred pounds, not tens of thousands.

Well, to be fair, it did sound like you had used the real weapon.

Not trying to reignite the flame war, but I always assumed we we're role playing. I mean it would be pretty crazy to assume mesor tested an illegal round, and then told all of us about it, isn't it? If we still are RPing, then what the hell is this computer crap, this is the 1930s!

[kingfisher1112]

Alright, so I decided on new Navy mechanics.
1 size point= 50 tons. Every time you want a weapon mounted on a ship, when designing it you must specify tonnage of said weapon. Then, dedicate size points to speed, armour, what's gunss you want to mount and certain perks. I'm going to redefine the shipyard, and the existing ships next turn.
Tank's armour is now a double edged HP/Penetration blocker sword. Having high armour increases your HP AND ability to block projectiles.

[Funk]

how big a ship can the ship yards make?.

[kingfisher1112]

Up to 10.000 tons, so, erm, 2000 size points...?

[Funk]

2000 times 50 is 100,000 not 10,000.
keep in mind that the Yamato-class battleships where only 73,000 ton at full load.

[kingfisher1112]

2000 times 50 is 100,000 not 10,000.
keep in mind that the Yamato-class battleships where only 73,000 ton at full load.

200 then.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

I think that you should let to go slightly over or undersize... After all it was always a choice between 3 things - armor, guns mounted and speed

[kingfisher1112]

I think that you should let to go slightly over or undersize... After all it was always a choice between 3 things - armor, guns mounted and speed

Pardon? Does this mean you want the shipyard to have some leeway?

[Ukrainian Ranger]

I mean that you can take, let's say size 100 ship, and put 80 points of guns and armor on it to win some speed\range or 120 and lose speed\range

But if that too complex ignore that That's not a 100% realism simulator

Waiting for updated stats and naval stats for TP-1s, SUP-40 and that 280mm gun to make new designs

[kingfisher1112]

Project Name: TP-1
Damage: 16
Accuracy: 7
Perks:
Armour Piercing
10 Per OC
Ship Size: 0.25 size points

Project Name: LUP-40
Damage: 14
Accuracy: 14
Fast Winch
Fast Reloading
5 Per OC
Ship Size: 0.75


Yes... I know that an LUP isn't 12.5 tons, but it's meant to represent the space too. Don't game the system either, saying that you'll have a massive shop with eleventy billion TP-1's. Keep it reasonable.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

Yep, size includes many things  like the gun itself, space it takes, crew for it, ammo storage etc...

My proposal for the turn:
I think that designing new ships should wait until we get new system of navy designing
________________________________
Designs:

Name:RTX-1 turret
Engineers:8+metallurgist&naval engineer
Workspace:10
What it is: Triple turret designed to host three new 120mm naval guns closely based on existing 120mm guns in effort to save space ( It should use less space than three single 120mm guns)

Feather
What it is:Light wooden biplane armed with two TP-1s, nimble dogfighter. Should be cheap, very nimble, easy to learn to fly, trainer and , glass-cannon interceptor

9 novice engineers (or ten, if guy in the university is available )
Workspace:10

Point allocation:
Production: All to build badgers

LBA-280
10 points into damage, that should be our battleship buster after all

Pigeon
Points Available: 21
Speed: 1 point
Strong Winch: 8 points.
Ultralight Frame: 12 points

(That's our utility helicopter )

TX-1
Stealthy 2 points - you can't avoid something you can't see

Wasp:
Speed: 5 points
Quick-Turning: 5 points

University
Send one engineer to study rocket engines
I want my Katusha's

[Nadaka]

More interesting then most of the others, but it depends on what your planning to do with it, theres not very much you can do without it ceasing to be an AK at all.

Can I ask why you picked the AK other then that it's a weapon thats easy to build?

It pretty much uses the same cartridge as the Mosin-Nagant, and any assault rifle we build at first is probably going to look similar- I'm just using some good features from it, as well as some good features from others. Hence, it's going to sound very similar to the AK on paper, aside for some differences like a longer barrel, inventing muzzle brakes, reinforcing the stamped-metal receivers, so we can still manufacture cheaply and easily while still maintaining accuracy, etc.

Um... the Mosin Nagant and AK do not use nearly the same round.

The 7.62x54 has an overall length of 77mm, a pronounced rim and a case diameter of up to 12.37mm The projectile is 11.3g at about 800m/s for about 3600 joules of energy.

The 7.62x39 has an overall length of 56mm, a recessed rim and a case diameter of up to 11.35mm. The projectile is 7.9g at about 730m/s for about 2100 joules of energy.

[10ebbor10]

Uhm, just as a note, but easy to fly and biplane are mutually exclusive terms.