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which hemisphere is best hemisphere?

south
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north
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east
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twilight zone
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i dont give a damn
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Author Topic: Celebrate your nation here! and have a friendly debate! (country thread)  (Read 23867 times)

Leatra

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Re: Country thread! Celebrate your nation here! and have a friendly debate!
« Reply #330 on: April 24, 2013, 04:39:15 pm »

Oh, good. People tend to hate history lessons because of bad teachers and an education system that shoves facts down the students' throats. Thank god I had the coolest history teacher in high school :D
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« Reply #331 on: April 24, 2013, 04:49:10 pm »

Yeah, the world history parts interested me greatly. The overarching American history not so much, as it usually just droned on and on and provided nothing of particular value. I took a humanities course last spring in College. It was great compared to listening to history teachers in grade school.

One thing of American history I found in High school came from the school's library: a book called Names on the Land, by George R. Stewart.
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« Reply #332 on: April 24, 2013, 05:38:51 pm »

This makes me wonder, how important is WWI in other countries' history classes and 'common knowledge'? The Netherlands wasn't part of it either and there is a lot less focus on it than on WWII I feel.
In Serbia, it's kinda a big deal.


In America, it's mostly seen for how it leads to the events of the inter war years.
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« Reply #333 on: April 24, 2013, 06:32:36 pm »

This makes me wonder, how important is WWI in other countries' history classes and 'common knowledge'? The Netherlands wasn't part of it either and there is a lot less focus on it than on WWII I feel.

In the Scottish curriculum children learn virtually nothing about WW2 and nearly everything about WW1. At least - that was my experience, and apparently the experience of most. Teachers are able to select what units they'd like to do e.g. Scots in WW1, the wars of independence, the rise of Fascism, even 19th century American history. In my case we studied the First World War, Act of Union 1707, the Russian Revolution and the Russian Civil War, Jacobites, 19th century America (like the Indian wars and such, Red Cloud, wounded knee etc). We also did a bit of prehistoric stuff like Neolithic Scotland. But generally speaking WW2 is mostly studied by primary school children, or by some classes that have teachers that are inclined in that way. I think some schools study the Indian Independence movement and Gandhi and such.

Later on in High School we also studied the Cold War and some titbits about wider British politics in the 19th century.
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« Reply #334 on: April 24, 2013, 06:34:45 pm »

I don't really remember anything about WWII lessons. Even if we had lessons about WWII, they were overshadowed by WWI.
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« Reply #335 on: April 24, 2013, 06:39:26 pm »

I don't really remember anything about WWII lessons. Even if we had lessons about WWII, they were overshadowed by WWI.

I think in Europe as a whole people are going to put a lot more emphasis on the First World War than the Second because of the way it affected us. It would be interesting to hear from a Russian fellow though - I would imagine the history of the Great Patriotic War is going to dominate lessons quite a bit.
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« Reply #336 on: April 24, 2013, 06:41:29 pm »

Yeah, the US really emphasizes WW2 because it was the last time we did something that wasn't raging against communists and terrorists.

Even then, we only talk about "dem Japs" and Normandy, and ignore all that stuff we were inconveniently uninvolved or unsuccessful in (North Africa, Russia, the Summer Offensives, etc.).
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Re: Country thread! Celebrate your nation here! and have a friendly debate!
« Reply #337 on: April 24, 2013, 06:55:24 pm »

Yeah, the US really emphasizes WW2 because it was the last time we did something that wasn't raging against communists and terrorists.

Even then, we only talk about "dem Japs" and Normandy, and ignore all that stuff we were inconveniently uninvolved or unsuccessful in (North Africa, Russia, the Summer Offensives, etc.).
Actually, I have not had a class on WW2.
Mostly focusing on early America, and right now I'm learning about the civil war.
(Although I'm in middle school so I don't know anything about high school)

My history teacher is pretty cool. I think if you have a not incredible shitty history teacher history can be really fun and cool.

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« Reply #338 on: April 24, 2013, 06:57:53 pm »

(You don't actually get past our dear amazing civil war until very late in your education. It's only in college you start learning about what everyone else did.)

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« Reply #339 on: April 24, 2013, 07:05:07 pm »

What's the fuss is about? American civil war only took like 4 years. Learning about every battle must be tough I guess.

I still remember all the stuff I had to memorize. Oh, Ottoman Empire, why didn't you ease up on the invasion throttle and save future students from lots of memorizing?
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« Reply #340 on: April 24, 2013, 07:09:51 pm »

I think in Europe as a whole people are going to put a lot more emphasis on the First World War than the Second because of the way it affected us.
I don't think that's true for all Europe. I had nearly a whole year of history class dedicated to WWII (interwar-45).
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« Reply #341 on: April 24, 2013, 07:11:07 pm »

(You don't actually get past our dear amazing civil war until very late in your education. It's only in college you start learning about what everyone else did.)
This is patently false.
The previous year we learned about Medieval history, the year before that the ancient world.
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« Reply #342 on: April 24, 2013, 07:15:15 pm »

(You don't actually get past our dear amazing civil war until very late in your education. It's only in college you start learning about what everyone else did.)
This is patently false.
The previous year we learned about Medieval history, the year before that the ancient world.
It's come a long way since I was there. Middle school/Jr.High for me was Civil War, Great Depression, a snippet of WW1 and WW2. I took one history class in high school, opting instead to take civics and law for the other two I was supposed to take. The HS class covered, you guessed it, WW2. To be fair, we went from the start of the war to the moon landing, so there's that.
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Re: Country thread! Celebrate your nation here! and have a friendly debate!
« Reply #343 on: April 24, 2013, 07:23:55 pm »

What's the fuss is about? American civil war only took like 4 years. Learning about every battle must be tough I guess.

I still remember all the stuff I had to memorize. Oh, Ottoman Empire, why didn't you ease up on the invasion throttle and save future students from lots of memorizing?
Ehh, it's alot considering how short the US has existed, and its after effects.


I mean seriously, it made the most important issue of the terms of at least 6 presidents. AS we've only had 44, that's a significant percentage(although one died after 6 months).
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« Reply #344 on: April 24, 2013, 07:46:48 pm »

What's the fuss is about? American civil war only took like 4 years. Learning about every battle must be tough I guess.

I still remember all the stuff I had to memorize. Oh, Ottoman Empire, why didn't you ease up on the invasion throttle and save future students from lots of memorizing?
Ehh, it's alot considering how short the US has existed, and its after effects.


I mean seriously, it made the most important issue of the terms of at least 6 presidents. AS we've only had 44, that's a significant percentage(although one died after 6 months).

I'm more interested in American Revolution rather than American Civil War. The revolution against the British seems more interesting and I always wondered why there aren't more films and games about the revolution. You'd think the birth of a country should be more important than the civil war but that's just the foreigner in me speaking.
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