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[DwarfOfTheLand]

I sometimes WANT to be a bandit. I know you all do too.

While playing Adventurer Mode, a random but true thought popped into my mind. Why aren't there join-able guilds in game? The three main guilds could be (like The Elder Scrolls, I know)

Thieves' Association

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One in every major country, the Thieves' Association is majorly associated with the Kobolds. Only, this guild won't be Kobold only, it will be anyone eligible to join. The jobs given could range from, steal a Monarch's ______, to raid a kingdom of all of their goods. A good way to do this, would give players the ability to have raiding teams, or just a group of whoever they could get to join them within the Guild. Having the ability to load goods into crates, and then load crates onto wagons and drop it off for a prize or ranking bump-up would be excellent.

Assassins' Guild
With the new update, this would fit in PERFECTLY!

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The Guild would mostly be comprised of trustworthy people to get contracts from people, and then kill said person, without being caught.

[[If you guys would put suggestions in the comments, I will add them in as I get them]]

The Bandits

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This wouldn't be much of a guild, just a group of outlaws trying to gain fortune, while ending a few civilizations.

Again, give me more suggestions so I can add more guild ideas and add the descriptions.

[Putnam]

I'd much rather guilds come up a bit more naturally and not... have set names. Something more like:
"A group of noble thieves called the Hard Cheeses".
"An Assassin group called the Great Abbeys"

And bandits are already in there, just not joinable.

[DwarfOfTheLand]

I'd much rather guilds come up a bit more naturally and not... have set names. Something more like:
"A group of noble thieves called the Hard Cheeses".
"An Assassin group called the Great Abbeys"

And bandits are already in there, just not joinable.

Yes, I did not mean for those names to be set, they should be randomized.

And It would be amazing to be a bandit. I know they're in there because my great Dwarf Adventurer got his arms broken and his eye gouged out. lol

[CaptainLambcake]

I say no.  When law is implemented, you can be a thief/bandit/assassin.  People won't know instantly that you killed someone or stole something, and shady figures in taverns will ask you to do certain shady things.  You will be able to rob merchants on the roads, kidnap children, and all that.  So why Guilds?

[assasin]

So why Guilds?

Guilds are designed to protect monopolies. It'd add to the fun if you perform crimes in an area and the gang/syndicate/mafia/whatever sent some thugs after you.

And if you join a gang or whatever you'd have acces to their safe houses, fences, etc. Of course you could get all of that stuff on your own, but why go to the effort if you don't need to?

[Matoro]

So why Guilds?

Guilds are designed to protect monopolies. It'd add to the fun if you perform crimes in an area and the gang/syndicate/mafia/whatever sent some thugs after you.

And if you join a gang or whatever you'd have acces to their safe houses, fences, etc. Of course you could get all of that stuff on your own, but why go to the effort if you don't need to?

You're forgotting that the world of DF is based in medieval, like many other fantasy worlds. There really wasn't much syndicates/mafias. There was no need for high organization, since even justice system didn't have so great organization. Assasin's guilds and other things are more like secret cult-like groups, and you can't really just say "i'm going to join them". The way how DF uses bandits right now - inpendent little (or not so little) gangs seems fine to me. I don't see reason why we should make different groups for assassins, thieves and bandits.
Like CaptainLambcake said, the future releases of DF will make it possible to be freelancer-assassin/thief/bandit.

[DwarfOfTheLand]

Having associations with particular things like Assassins, Thieves, and Bandits would add structure to what you do in game as a thief, assassin, bandit or all three. Just going around doing whatever for no particular reason (only reason being, that you can and want to) would get boring, and fast. Having a leader and a team to work with would add diversity to what you do. What if you wanted to rob a merchant? How would you know where the merchant would be at a certain time? A scout hired by the leader of the association would tell you. Sure, you could stand at a road for 4 hours in game and try to wait it out, but it would be more realistic to have data on those that you have targeted.

If this doesn't strike yer fancy, then can I get a link to where it says there'll be more assassin-like assassinations and thievery without being automatically exiled from a civilization, kidnapping, all that?

[Putnam]

Or you could get hired by someone who wants someone stolen from or assassinated?

[Helari]

Sub entities inside entities like kingdoms and such will probably be randomised.

You may someday generate the Cheese wheels of gloating, an entity which goal is to profit by murder, slay night creatures and collect hoards of plump helmets. Their secret symbol is an adamantine sock. (ofcourse names will probably be a bit more appropriate because of the word sphere thingy)

I also remember there was stuff in some DF talk also about the players themselves forming their own entities which could continue to function ran by ai after the player adventurer retires or is killed.

Having strictly defined generic groups like ~the assasins guild~ or ~the paladins order~ or something cliche like that would be the wrong way to go imho.

[Catsup]

this games starting to sound like skyrim now... (except you cant disembowel children in skyrim without modding).

[Loud Whispers]

You're forgotting that the world of DF is based in medieval, like many other fantasy worlds. There really wasn't much syndicates/mafias.

Historically speaking, there were.

[DwarfOfTheLand]

In the spoilers, or the text itself, I said this would sound like Skyrim.
But it is not.
Skyrim compared to Dwarf Fortress, leads to Skyrim being Dwarf Fortress Lite