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Shook

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Social things and such
« on: April 04, 2013, 01:09:14 pm »

Hello once again, Bay12! Just recently, my dear mother expressed worry over the fact that i apparently have little to no social life, and that got me thinking; she might even be right. It's been ages since i've invited someone home, and it's been ages since i've been invited to someones home. I don't really trot around in town for fun, because i feel really out of place in a noisy crowd, and i think i'm not alone in that. I often do hang around with friends from uni in the time immediately following the classes of the day (or the gaps in between classes), although i'm not the guy who talks the most in the whole world (surprise!). There's also the weekly friday-bar at uni, which i will gladly come to if the classes aren't completely out of sync.

But the thing is this: I don't really see a lot of other people (outside of my core family) in my spare time. I suppose part of the reason is that i don't really know how to proceed. I haven't been invited explicitly, which is probably because i haven't asked, or maybe it's because others feel the same way as i do. I mean, i'm reasonably sure that i'm not the only cave dweller in class, so perhaps i'm not the only guy who's super awkward either. I think the main problem lies within that invitation part, because i know that several others are gamers like me, and would probably be delighted to play two-player in something, otherwise there's plenty of weird things that can be discussed. However, we could technically also play with each other over this wonderful internet, because i do have them on more than one contact list.

The one thing that has always hindered me is this: An extreme lack of initiative. Just asking someone for help with an annoying equation is a minor war inside my mind, one side saying "OK DO IT" and the other saying "HOLD YOUR HORSES". Although i am getting slightly better at listening to the first side, it's still oh so easy for me to just fall into inaction and do nothing. But imagine how lopsided the battle is for someone as socially awkward as me who's trying to figure out how to take relationships beyond the frames of uni in a natural manner. I mean, if i go like "I VOULD LIKE TO EENVITE YOO HOEM" then they'd probably be all "lolwut"... Or maybe they'd be like "yeah sure". Again, my insecurity shines through. Perhaps i'm just feeling awkward about it because i'm not the sole inhabitant of this house.

But all my quirks aside, the question i'm looking for an answer is this: Am i normal? I know that's an extremely nebulous question, but i've had my fair share of social stunting in the past. I literally DON'T KNOW if it's normal to be like i am with social things, and it's starting to get to me (and i typically don't give much concern towards being normal).
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« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2013, 01:53:33 pm »

Yeah, you're pretty normal. Also you have a good chance of just being introverted (hence your not really noticing and/or caring about this until your mother intervened). Being introverted isn't bad, not at all.


Anyway, if you want to break out of your shell, then you need to get a mindset of putting yourself out there and fuck the consequences. Do what you like, what you feel like doing, rather than what you think is somehow the social norm. People will tell you if you're being annoying (unless they're assholes who let you make a fool of yourself), so don't worry too much about that. Keep a sensible head, just stop assuming people will hate you forever if you make minor mistakes or tiny impositions.
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« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2013, 02:18:00 pm »

you sound normal to me aswell. your story pretty much describes my Brother, like 4 of my good friends, and my ex that cheating b****.

and as for advice on breaking your shell of shookatude, listen to kaijyuu!
kaijyuu's advice seems pretty awesome.

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« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2013, 04:25:26 pm »

Keep a sensible head, just stop assuming people will hate you forever if you make minor mistakes or tiny impositions.
Haha oh man, you hit the nail spot on the head right there. I'm feverishly trying to convince myself of that, but my subconscious isn't making it easy. I think it stems from back when i being bullied in elementary school, every time i did ANYTHING out of the ordinary it would usually prompt a strong and negative reaction from the assholes. That shit burns itself into ones memory, you know?

But anyways, thanks for the advice! :D
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« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2013, 04:44:00 pm »

It is honestly, seriously true.  I have massive trust issues from a lifetime of events I won't get into but it's something I'm slowly learning myself--the world is, by-and-large, safe and people want to get along with each other.

Here is a secret I've learned: progress and success are really not about the big things in life.  It's about looking at where you are and finding the smallest step you can take to make your world marginally better, and moving on from there.  So don't worry about the big picture.  Think about how you can improve your relationship with your friends just a little bit more, whether it's coming to sit next to them or saying hello a little bit more enthusiastically, or at a certain point giving gifts.  Take yourself a bit out of your comfort zone, wait until you feel safe, then keep moving until you're feeling all comfy in the world.  Sometimes you'll have to give up on a relationship you've worked on for a long time, but don't worry about that, either.  This planet is so vast that getting caught up in the small stuff isn't worth it.

You're gonna be okay, dude.  Just keep at it.
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« Reply #5 on: April 04, 2013, 08:45:24 pm »

c:

Your words fill me with elation! It's probably also painfully obvious that i'm terrible at expressing gratitude properly, but i'm really thankful for the advice. Maybe i really will fit into this world some day. c:
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« Reply #6 on: April 04, 2013, 09:32:36 pm »

I tend to have the same problem, and I'm still stuck in a position where I have little social life, though that is due to other circumstances.

To me, at least, I can't speak for you, it feels like a risk to take things further with a friend. I don't mean dating, but I do mean such things as stepping outside of your comfort zone to do more with them. In my case, I simply felt comfortable doing what I usually did, do life at its normal pace how it was already flowing, and don't cause any ripples that might cause discomfort to myself. Unfortunately, this tended to leave friends as an incidental, regardless of how well I may have thought of them. However, if you don't engage yourself with your friends and other company, you are going to drift apart from them eventually.

Take the first step, invite them to play whatever game on whatever console you may have, and if it works out, you might see about making it a weekly thing. At that point, it should easily become part of your routine.
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« Reply #7 on: April 05, 2013, 06:14:46 am »

You're the same as me, if you put it that way. Well, maybe except that I'm a bit more distant to "friends" and such (I don't really care what happens to people I don't like that much).

One of the things you could do is to find someone with the same interests as you have. That would breach the awkwardness barrier and soften things up. Next, hanging out with talkative people (they tend to be annoying) usually nets you more acquaintances, which you can talk to and such. All of this is relatively easy if you're still in class. Outside, I dunno, I really don't have that much friends aside from family. :c

Finally, fuck the consequences. If you want to meet other people, you must first know that they don't give much attention to your stories, so there's no need to be shy and feel like you're the only person they're paying attention and critiquing. Because they also feel the same way. Once you stop caring about how you handle things (of course, make sure you still handle things well), you will just flow out of your shell naturally and gain a group of people to hang out with. In short, shed your insecurity, bro.

Disclaimer: This is potentially bad advice, coming from an insecure person with no social skills who just recently adapted to life. It may or may not earn you "user" friends - people who exploit you for their own gain. Please be guided. :)
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« Reply #8 on: April 05, 2013, 06:42:18 am »

Yeah you're not the only one xD.
I'm still wondering how I got the friends I currently have. They actually seem to be happy when I'm around :/

Friendship advice:
-Accidentally meet people.
-Somehow become friends.
-Wonder why.
-???
-Profit.
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« Reply #9 on: April 05, 2013, 07:58:44 am »

Yeah you're not the only one xD.
I'm still wondering how I got the friends I currently have. They actually seem to be happy when I'm around :/

Friendship advice:
-Accidentally meet people.
-Somehow become friends.
-Wonder why.
-???
-Profit.

oh god that is best advice
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« Reply #10 on: April 05, 2013, 02:06:14 pm »

His advice is better than mine would be, anyway...

And Vectors is probably best of all.
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« Reply #11 on: April 05, 2013, 04:34:14 pm »

well I can't beat Vector.....

But seriously, just be yourself. I used to be like this, but then I just reached a point where my confidence got so low I stopped caring how other people thought of me completely. At which point I just started being me, and that seems to have worked.

As for the invite thing, I've been rather lucky in that I have mates who seem to get it, and will invite me just offhand. I think if you start talking to someone enough, they may just kinda ask you to meet up with their mates 'cause you might get on, and somehow a social life forms.
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« Reply #12 on: April 05, 2013, 05:48:29 pm »

Whenever my mother expresses concerns with my lack of Social contact, I print of the latest new report of some druggie getting stabbed whilst out drinking with his mates who also stole a car and ran it into a police station before attempting to flee and getting battered by some over-zealous horse-rider wielding a large stick.  It just seems a lot safer for me to look out onto the world through the eyes of the Internet, rather than actually have to go out and interact...  Plus, you probably won't get to know any other hermits in your class because they'll all be doing exactly the same thing as you unless you decide to break the ice and create some hermit-based circle of acquaintances. 
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« Reply #13 on: April 05, 2013, 07:16:21 pm »

What you need is something that initiates a conservation. You can't exactly go from "Yo, got a pen?" to "Street Fighter? Bring it on, biatch" but hey, it's a start. I don't really remember how I managed to become friends with my current friends in the first place. I remember one of them (in high school) being a shy guy. We talked about lessons and as topic of conservation changed constantly by itself, we realized that we both like movies. So we decided to go watch a movie together. Time passed, we did lots of crazy stuff (which includes traveling to a city, getting shitfaced drunk, getting thrown out of that house, and becoming homeless for a day. Good times), and we have been friends for 4 years. Making a friend takes time and it usually starts along the lines of "Yo, got a pen?" or something like that.

Not everyone takes that route though.

3 years ago, a friend of mine (let's complicate things and refer to her as "my friend" from now on) introduced me to a friend of hers (let's call her, "her friend" for further confusion). According to my friend, her friend literally walked up to her and said "can we be friends?" out of the blue. And this didn't happen in a class or something like that. It happened at a beach. What? Who walks towards a stranger and says "can we be friends?" like it's so normal? Are we, like 7 years old or something? Well, that girl did that and they have been friends for 3 years.

Of course, something like that isn't going to work all the time. My friend could just have given her a weird look and moved on. So, I dunno... I didn't really give much useful advice did I?
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« Reply #14 on: April 07, 2013, 04:09:33 pm »

Oh but you did, you've also inadvertently given me enlightenment on the fact that there's not just one correct way of making friends. c:

Whenever my mother expresses concerns with my lack of Social contact, I print of the latest new report of some druggie getting stabbed whilst out drinking with his mates who also stole a car and ran it into a police station before attempting to flee and getting battered by some over-zealous horse-rider wielding a large stick.  It just seems a lot safer for me to look out onto the world through the eyes of the Internet, rather than actually have to go out and interact...  Plus, you probably won't get to know any other hermits in your class because they'll all be doing exactly the same thing as you unless you decide to break the ice and create some hermit-based circle of acquaintances. 
Good point, could be that they're feeling the same as me, even though we're pretty good friends by now (i mean, i would trust these guys with my life, that's how awesome they are). I'm beginning to think that my dear mother, as much as i love her, has a bit of difficulty understanding that introversion isn't necessarily a bad thing. I don't blame her, really, the stereotypical young bloke in Denmark is a wild and outgoing party monkey, and borderline alcoholic as well. I'm getting better at the outgoing part, but i still have what i like to refer to as social batteries, which deplete slowly during the course of intense socialising (i.e. partying and such), and recharge when i retract into my own little bubble, although i never get truly anti-social because of it.

well I can't beat Vector.....

But seriously, just be yourself. I used to be like this, but then I just reached a point where my confidence got so low I stopped caring how other people thought of me completely. At which point I just started being me, and that seems to have worked.

As for the invite thing, I've been rather lucky in that I have mates who seem to get it, and will invite me just offhand. I think if you start talking to someone enough, they may just kinda ask you to meet up with their mates 'cause you might get on, and somehow a social life forms.
I found that whole "be myself" thing to be surprisingly effective as well, which i decided to do because i was sitting in a room full of completely new people. Nobody had any preconceptions about me (same thing as when i started in high school, with the difference being that i came from high school and not elementary), so i figured, hell, might as well make the first impression a good one. It worked beyond my wildest dreams. I don't know if it's because i did well or because the others are super nice (which they are), but man, it is AWESOME to be able to be myself and have people like me for it. c:
Perhaps... Perhaps i'm just worrying to much. I do that a lot. I've explicitly been told (by a girl even) that i'm a really nice guy to be around, so perhaps it's just a sterling case of "it's not you it's me" with this whole invitation deal (although said girl already has a long-time boyfriend). What i think is worrying to my mother is that i USED to invite friends home during elementary school, something that practically stopped the moment i graduated from that. Perhaps because i feel it's safe to hang around with my friends at campus now? Back in elementary school, i did NOT feel safe before i had gotten out of the immediate vicinity of the place. Now? The institution for geoscience damn near feels like a second home to me. Perhaps that could explain some things.

Yeah you're not the only one xD.
I'm still wondering how I got the friends I currently have. They actually seem to be happy when I'm around :/

Friendship advice:
-Accidentally meet people.
-Somehow become friends.
-Wonder why.
-???
-Profit.
I keep getting stuck at "wonder why". :c

You're the same as me, if you put it that way. Well, maybe except that I'm a bit more distant to "friends" and such (I don't really care what happens to people I don't like that much).

One of the things you could do is to find someone with the same interests as you have. That would breach the awkwardness barrier and soften things up. Next, hanging out with talkative people (they tend to be annoying) usually nets you more acquaintances, which you can talk to and such. All of this is relatively easy if you're still in class. Outside, I dunno, I really don't have that much friends aside from family. :c

Finally, fuck the consequences. If you want to meet other people, you must first know that they don't give much attention to your stories, so there's no need to be shy and feel like you're the only person they're paying attention and critiquing. Because they also feel the same way. Once you stop caring about how you handle things (of course, make sure you still handle things well), you will just flow out of your shell naturally and gain a group of people to hang out with. In short, shed your insecurity, bro.

Disclaimer: This is potentially bad advice, coming from an insecure person with no social skills who just recently adapted to life. It may or may not earn you "user" friends - people who exploit you for their own gain. Please be guided. :)
It's mostly that "fuck consequences" thing i have a really difficult time making my subconscious believe, also friends outside of school/uni. That said though, i'd happily hang around with my friends at uni at different places, it's just that whole keeping in contact business that's rather difficult. Since they rarely contact me either, i suppose they're feeling the same way, and/or have met a shitload of awesome new people like i have.
I WISH i could just shed my insecurity like a smelly overcoat, but sadly it's pretty deeply buried. I'm working on digging it out, however. c:

I tend to have the same problem, and I'm still stuck in a position where I have little social life, though that is due to other circumstances.

To me, at least, I can't speak for you, it feels like a risk to take things further with a friend. I don't mean dating, but I do mean such things as stepping outside of your comfort zone to do more with them. In my case, I simply felt comfortable doing what I usually did, do life at its normal pace how it was already flowing, and don't cause any ripples that might cause discomfort to myself. Unfortunately, this tended to leave friends as an incidental, regardless of how well I may have thought of them. However, if you don't engage yourself with your friends and other company, you are going to drift apart from them eventually.

Take the first step, invite them to play whatever game on whatever console you may have, and if it works out, you might see about making it a weekly thing. At that point, it should easily become part of your routine.
That middle paragraph. It is uncannily close to how i'm feeling. Thing is though, i'd be sad to drift away from these guys, just like how i was pretty sad to leave high school behind. Fortunately, i still have at least a year left on this bachelor, and one can do a LOT of things in a year!

Once again, i'm really grateful for all the advice and kind words! I'm not sure i can really express myself properly, but thanks. Thanks a lot. :)
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