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Leatra

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Re: Looking into Buddhism
« Reply #15 on: April 07, 2013, 07:33:25 pm »

Any help would really be appreciated thanks!

Suggestion: skip the books, skip the temples. Don't waste your time.

Instead, go camping.

Camping? Yes, camping. Bring a tent, sleeping bag, clothes and enough food and water for a month. Do not bring cellphones, books, games, computers, toys or anything to "do." Choose a campsite that is completely secluded, and not one where there will be other campers within sight of you.

Go and spend a month being alone with yourself. No human contact, no distractions, no demands on your time, no humans or pets or jobs or games or television shows or alarm clocks expecting you to interact with them.

Go for one month. Do this and you will understand everything that Buddhism has to teach you. The rest is flax.

I do something similar to this every Summer. When I'm going to my family's Summer house, I don't take any electronic devices with me (excluding my cell phone which is practically an antique that can only be used for texting and calling). I bring lots of books though.

When I make it to the Summer house, I NEVER enter the magical realm of Internet. I don't play any video games too (although I played some old games like Diablo 2 and Heroes 3 with my mother's laptop last Summer). I spend all Summer reading crapload of books, swimming until sunset, and drinking until sunrise with my buddy. Occasionally I sit on the balcony, stare at the beautiful sight from there for an hour, doing nothing. Then I start reading. Sometimes I get absorbed in reading, and I end up reading a book from midnight to morning.

Also, rarely (which is like 3-4 days in 90 days) I sleep on the beach. I simply go to the beach with my best buddy, take a beer or two with me, drink and talk with my buddy until we both go to sleep. We find a beach lounge chair to sleep on, of course, it's no fun to wake up with sand literally seeping from your underwear. We usually go there by 12:00 AM, drink and talk until 3-4 and sleep until 7 AM. Sun wakes you up early even if you are feeling like you could sleep for days. You feel like shit for the rest of the day but it's a good and fun experience, waking up at 7 AM on a beach, absorbing the scenery which you have never noticed, and walking to home. It's hard to describe in words. I go that beach every day (usually at noon) and see that sea every day but when I wake up at 7 AM there, I see things I have never seen before even though I go there all the time. It's different. There aren't any people around. The sun is just rising and the sea is calm. You get a feeling of true companionship and and bond of friendship with your friend because of sharing the same experience. I got a feeling of peacefulness every time I do that (even though it lasts until I fall asleep from exhaustion and wake up groggy).

One time I decided to take a walk around the streets at 4:00 AM (for no reason) and I found a street dog. She was very afraid of me and ran away whenever I got close. She had a baby dog next to her too. The puppy ran to me and started playing with me. The mother dog started howling and barking at me for a second but seemed to calm down after I started petting the puppy. I sit on the middle of the street and started playing with the puppy, then I decided to play with the mother too, but she ran away when I got close. I decided to gave the puppy some biscuits which I was carrying in my pocket. Puppy ate it all, I saved one for the mother. With one hand, I held off the puppy which was trying to eat the biscuit and with my other hand I held the biscuit with my palm open, offering it to the mother. The mother dog slowly walked to me while I was standing still, and she ate the biscuit from my hand. She stood still for a minute, and I petted her carefully. She had the most beautiful blue eyes, shining in the darkness of the night, which I have never seen on the face of a dog, or a human. After a minute, she walked away and her puppy followed her.

I don't exactly know why I just told this (and the other one, for that matter), but it was an interesting moment. From that point, I started having a sympathy for street dogs. I can hardly resist playing with dogs I see on the street. Something similar happened to me with another dog too, and that dog followed me like a bodyguard for 2 hours after that. He even attacked a dog once because it started at me funny. Dogs in that town know me, and they usually follow me around when I pass through their territory. It's not rare for me to end up walking on the street with an army of street dogs following me and barking at outsider dogs. The funny thing is, my best buddy is afraid of dogs and since I know which dog "owns" which territory, I walk in a particular path when meeting up with him so I don't have to shoo the dogs following me. It's heartbreakingly difficult for me to shoo a dog so I try to avoid the dog if I can.

It's interesting. I spend around 3 months at that town every year, but it feels like most of my life took place there. Events that shaped my life and personality always took place there and I find myself more at peace there than the gray, bleak, busy and noisy metropolis I'm living in.
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Re: Looking into Buddhism
« Reply #16 on: April 07, 2013, 09:48:08 pm »

I bring lots of books
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I spend all Summer reading crapload of books,
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I get absorbed in reading

Yes, I'm sure you do get absorbed in reading. But being distracted in other worlds is not quite the same as being alone with yourself in the here and now.

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drinking until sunrise with my buddy
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drink and talk with my buddy
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drink and talk until 3-4

Yes, I'm sure you enjoy drinking and talking with friends. But being distracted by friends is not quite the same as being alone with yourself in the here and now.

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I don't exactly know why I just told this

Because you became distracted from what you were doing in the here and now.

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Re: Looking into Buddhism
« Reply #17 on: April 08, 2013, 06:16:03 am »

Your idea of enlightenment may differ from mine. I wasn't talking about camping. Drinking and reading is not what I did for 3 months. Did you actually read what I said or did you press CTRL+F and searched for the words "book" and "drink"? I found that two moments I mentioned (beach and the dog) was a very refreshing and a peaceful moment for me. I also mentioned how I sit on the balcony and stare at the beautiful view, doing nothing. Your selective perception may have missed that.

And good job at trying to skim my post for proving your point about... doing nothing. Take several out-of-context quotes to indicate that I said "I read" and "I drink" for three times probably shows I'm too distracted in my life eh? I wrote a giant wall-of-text and that's what you are quoting? Fuck off. It's almost like you tried to criticize me from the moment you started reading. I just told what worked for me and what made me felt at peace. Hopefully OP can take something positive out of it.

Also, yes, I drink and I read. I sit on the balcony and start reading. Sometimes I read until sunrise (if I'm not drinking that is) and I put the book on the table when sun starts rising. I watch the sun rising for minutes but watching sun for too long tends to fuck up your eyes. So I decide to take a walk. I walk until I'm in the forest and sit somewhere. I watch the river flowing and the sun rising. Sometimes a street dog walks towards me and I start petting him. Then I get up and walk home for breakfast. Then, when it's night and I'm drinking at the beach (I never go to bars or such for drinking) I just watch the sea and talk with my friend until we feel like leaving or falling asleep.

You probably are going to quote
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I drink and I read.
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Sometimes I read until sunrise
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I'm drinking at the beach
But I didn't say that to prove a point to YOU specifically. I said that to prove a point to everyone. Even if you are living in a boring metropolis, you can still have precious and peaceful moments.

We don't really need to be physically alone to be spiritually alone. You can be alone with yourself in a crowd if you know what you are doing.
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Re: Looking into Buddhism
« Reply #18 on: April 08, 2013, 05:22:12 pm »

I'm doing lots more research and reading the book nejing suggested and I can say I find my self even more fascinated and wanting to start that path.

When reading the book the first time I did try to hard to pick it apart for meaning so I stopped reading and started again with no intention of doing that.

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 with what leatra said would enlightenment not be different for everyone and the path taken to get there would also be unique to the individual.

Also why does it have to be alone in the wilderness ? I mean if you cut all ties with technology and only spoke the nessisitys in what you need to do to get through the day you could still be alone in a sense even more so when you are at home.

Also I do plan on hopefully taking a week out camping alone to do this soon.

 I do believe that all the "flax" within Buddhism is still Important
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Re: Looking into Buddhism
« Reply #19 on: April 09, 2013, 03:47:03 am »

Also why does it have to be alone in the wilderness ?

It doesn't. But if you ask me how to get to New York, I might suggest that you take a plane, not withstanding the fact that you can also walk, ride a bicycle, take a car, bus or boat, hop on one foot backwards, skip while blindfolded, ride a homeless man or travel via any of a number of ways.

This doesn't necessarily mean that taking a plane is the "best" way. For example, it would probably faster to teleport. But I'm uncertain how to do that.

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I do believe that all the "flax" within Buddhism is still Important

When one takes a plane it is reasonably fast, but one does miss a lot of scenery. If the scenery is important, taking a plane might not be the best way to see it.

What is your goal? To get to New York or to enjoy the trip?

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through the day you could still be alone in a sense even more so when you are at home.

Sure. And a cocaine addict could overcome their addiction simply by choosing to not take cocaine. But it's probably easier for a cocaine addict to not take cocaine if they're in a halfway house than if they keep the cocaine sitting on the nightstand by their bed simply because it's more convenient.

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what you need to do to get through the day

If a man chooses to not go to a halfway house, keeps cocaine on his nightstand, and takes only the amount he needs to get through each day...would you describe him as being free from cocaine?

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Re: Looking into Buddhism
« Reply #20 on: April 09, 2013, 03:55:20 am »

Try to look into Theravāda Buddhism. Mahayana is more or less Shinto.
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Re: Looking into Buddhism
« Reply #21 on: April 09, 2013, 03:59:39 am »

I would say to enjoy the trip but you would still reach the end of your trip having seen a lot more and have experienced more.

Also I see what you mean with the cocaine analogy. Although with a strong enough will you could just quit everything.
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Re: Looking into Buddhism
« Reply #22 on: April 09, 2013, 09:12:27 am »

Try to look into Theravāda Buddhism. Mahayana is more or less Shinto.
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Re: Looking into Buddhism
« Reply #23 on: April 09, 2013, 10:13:36 am »

If you don't know squat about Buddhism, I wouldn't recommend getting into the doctrinal differences between different sects, personally. There's plenty you can learn without getting into all that.

You sound like you're to the point where you're ready to start walking your own path. That's the point at which everyone's advice becomes secondary to what you intuit yourself.
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« Reply #24 on: April 09, 2013, 12:54:10 pm »

Try to look into Theravāda Buddhism. Mahayana is more or less Shinto.

As someone who's been to both Theravadan temples and Mahayana temples, they are both of equal merit in their teachings, but the people respond differently to you being there. Personally, I prefer Mahayana temples.

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« Reply #25 on: April 14, 2013, 05:13:55 am »

Ha!

Don't you people know that before the interwebs us social retards stayed inside reading books? Yep. If you were born 20 year earlier that's what you'd have done instead of the interwebs. I know this because that's what I did because my town didn't get the webs until way late and I'm older than dirt.

There were always shut ins, it's just now the shut ins communicate their status on the web.

As far as buddhism, don't waste your time searching for other people to answer your questions. Go on that camping trip alone for a month, go to a Gwar show, train for 6 months and do a cage fight, get a prostitute to kick you in the nuts, got to Vegas with $100 bucks and a bottle of whiskey and see if you can make it home, catch fish off Alaska for a season, if your gay screw a girl, if straight screw a guy. Shock yourself. Do anything but foster a belief in magic. That's just stupid.
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Re: Looking into Buddhism
« Reply #26 on: April 14, 2013, 05:30:51 am »

Buddhism is an atheist religion.
I suspect the magical shit is just a cover story for the public. I mean, Buddhism started 2556 years ago. Judging from mythologies, I think people in ancient times have trouble distinguishing reality from superstitions.
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Re: Looking into Buddhism
« Reply #27 on: April 14, 2013, 06:13:15 am »

Buddhism is an atheist religion.
I suspect the magical shit is just a cover story for the public. I mean, Buddhism started 2556 years ago. Judging from mythologies, I think people in ancient times have trouble distinguishing reality from superstitions.

What magical shit?

Unless you're going with the Bon-Po, tibetan shamanism + mahayana buddhism, there is no magical shit. I think Jo is trolling, because it seems like it.

All I have ever seen in my 15 years of occasionally visiting the temples is meditation and occasional talks about how to better yourself, shock horror NOT THROUGH RELIGION but through being a better person to others and yourself.

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« Reply #28 on: April 14, 2013, 09:04:07 am »

No no no no not a troll.

I may be incorrect but not a troll.

Buddhists I have known start making conclusions based on pseudo science so I call it magic. For example they are vegetarian because nutrition comes from the earth, so the most direct source must be from plants. Animals are a secondary source since their meat comes from plants, not the earth.

That's nonsense. Like saying there are only 4 elements, earth, wind, fire and water. Kinda makes sense but we know better in the 21st century.

But please, no Troll here. I welcome correction. Always. Accuracy is far more important than ego. For me ego doesn't play a role when it comes to truth, it can't.

Socrates was the smartest person in Greece not because he knew the most facts, but because he knew the extent of his own ignorance.

I have no problem with people helping me to know the extent of my ignorance. So, um, not a troll, but maybe too outspoken?
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Re: Looking into Buddhism
« Reply #29 on: April 14, 2013, 02:53:28 pm »

What magic

There's some fuzzy overlap among what some might consider to be Buddhism, Hinduism or Tantra, but this should be enough reading material to get you started:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mudra
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siddhi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoga_Sutras_of_Patanjali
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abhijna
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