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Re: Bitcoins, worth investing in?
« Reply #60 on: April 11, 2013, 05:36:14 pm »

If you just blindly invest based on vague ideas that "it's going to go up!" you aren't going to be the one making money.  You'll be the one making money for somebody else who knows what they're doing.
Eh.. I wasn't terribly serious in my suggestion there and I never 'blindly invest' in anything. :P
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« Reply #61 on: April 11, 2013, 06:00:15 pm »

Down to $120 on mtgox, who halted all trades until 10est/7pst. I'm betting it's going to fall further.

Looks like on other trading sites, it's at ~$70 now.



If you know where I can get BTC for $70-90 please let me know. I would buy all day at that price.
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« Reply #62 on: April 11, 2013, 06:15:08 pm »

Especially if you can sell it back at 120 right now.
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« Reply #63 on: April 11, 2013, 06:20:07 pm »

Yes, using what little historic information we have on hand as well as trend theory from currency and securities rebound, it is safe to assume that BTC will level off at $90-130 for the next few months. We may see a dip below $60 tomorrow when other neophytes panic and sell off fearing total loss, but others like myself love pouncing on these corrections. I have been buying at 105-130 all day. I might get burned short term but it's a risk I will take. I made out well with the last bubble and can afford to take some risk.
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Re: Bitcoins, worth investing in?
« Reply #64 on: April 11, 2013, 06:24:20 pm »

And we learn how hemmingjay is able to give so many games away.
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Re: Bitcoins, worth investing in?
« Reply #65 on: April 11, 2013, 06:39:31 pm »

It's a game for him  ;D
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Re: Bitcoins, worth investing in?
« Reply #66 on: April 12, 2013, 05:55:23 pm »

http://money.cnn.com/2013/04/12/investing/bitcoin-bubble/

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Anyway, never let it be said you can't make money off of bad investments. The only real suckers are people who think it will eventually become a currency. It doesn't need to be for people to make a buck. I have a friend who made his fortune by betting on the solvency of countries.

Of course, this is currency manipulation in a market small enough that a single investor can easily make the difference, while completely unregulated.

Also, the bitcoin subreddit seems to be cheering itself up with happier numbers.
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Re: Bitcoins, worth investing in?
« Reply #67 on: April 12, 2013, 05:58:51 pm »

Anyway, never let it be said you can't make money off of bad investments. The only real suckers are people who think it will eventually become a currency. It doesn't need to be for people to make a buck. I have a friend who made his fortune by betting on the solvency of countries.

It's interesting how this is a bubble that some suckers will hold even after it bursts.  Changes the dynamic.
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« Reply #68 on: April 12, 2013, 06:46:45 pm »

The increase since January is rather massive. Hindsight is a bitch.
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Re: Bitcoins, worth investing in?
« Reply #69 on: April 15, 2013, 10:33:35 am »

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« Reply #70 on: April 16, 2013, 08:06:26 am »

All of the markets stumbled yesterday and people like me are rushing in. I doubled down on my stocks and today bought a tremendous amount of BTC between 52-59usd. I believe that the rate will hold around 80-100 in the coming weeks with dips to 70 and spikes to 120. This is a currency but one as volatile as unregulated gold trading. Speaking of which, my friends who live and die by gold prices are none too happy these days.

When playing the stock market you must use hardcore business analytic skills and weight it with mass psychology(i.e. public reactions to unrelated events causing drops and spikes). With BTC it's pure psychological analysis. For example, I know that human behavior trends dictate that during tax season a lot of money ends up in the hands of people who are bad with money. They spend it on entertainment, illicit goods/services, get rich quick schemes, and general asshattery(disclaimer, some people save it or pay off bills). All of that was expected to drive up BTC prices while conversely, you would anticipate a plateau or drop in late summer as people vacation and have less revenue and prepare for college costs for themselves or children. At the Christmas/Hanukkah holidays you will also see a big drop in late November up until late December with a spike following to account for the influx of cash many receive as well as compensatory spending following the standard depression cycle. There are 2-3 major dip/spike cycles a year and many smaller ones. I actually love when the public panics and sells off as it creates a great opportunity for wealth. The only real threat to BTC is if for some reason Silk Road goes away and is not replaced. That accounts for 15-35% of reported use of BTC and would be devastating.
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« Reply #71 on: April 16, 2013, 12:47:21 pm »

What about if the police starts monitoring common currencies->bitcoin exchanges and tracing bitcoin transactions all the way to suspected drug dealers exchanging them back to USD? MtGox deals with credit cards/bank transfers for USD/JPY/EUR/... part, right? Just how could it be better for anonymity than using cash in person?
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« Reply #72 on: April 16, 2013, 01:02:17 pm »

Well, with bitcoins you can't really prove that someone was using them for drug purchases, or that someone bought them to begin with. Bitinstant is what is mostly used, and all you do in that is send the money anonymously to a specific address to purchase the coins.
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« Reply #73 on: April 16, 2013, 02:59:58 pm »

Also when purchases are made on SR the coins get tumbled. This means your coins get exchanged with a random number of other coins a random number of times. What essentially happens is that when you mix this behavior in with secure encryption you get an untraceable currency. The real threat is simply when consumers and sellers fail to use PGP when contacting one another and openly discuss purchases. Mostly though, his sort of thing doesn't happen and I have heard most established sellers wear gloves when handling packages and ship packages from ever changing locations.

Where things really get interesting is money laundering. The exchanges and BTC vendors all have strict anti-laundering policies and report large purchases but SR allows individuals to move money around without all of the questions and forms.

Also, my personal favorite aspect of BTC? No capital gains taxes to report and pay.
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« Reply #74 on: April 16, 2013, 03:01:51 pm »

There's also several laundering services that take your coins for a week, deduct 1%, and give em back after (presumably) tossing them around a few accounts for a while. Ah, black market economics.
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