while the female controllable characters are a prostitute with a murdered child
She isn't selectable and also stop being such a puritan, if Madison (I think that was her name) was the typical prostitute character in all videogames... no one would be complaining about prostitutes in videogames.
She isn't even a "victim because she is a prostitute" or a "prostitute because it gives her power over men" sort of deal either. As well the game doesn't sexualize her or her job. As well she takes an active interest in her son's disappearance, can handle herself, and doesn't play the victim.
She is by far the most progressive prostitute in all videogames.
...you're calling me a puritan?
Pfffftahhhahahahahahahahahhaha. No. I mention her being a prostitute because she is one, and as far as I can tell it's involved in the game. My concern was the part where she's barely a significant character for the first part of the game, and when she becomes a more major character, she serves to aid the main character, and that seems to be all; I don't notice any mention of her taking initiative on her own or working to do something before meeting the main character.
Oh my god. How many times have I said this? I don't care if it's intentional; that doesn't matter. It's still sexism.
It makes all the difference.
Skipping stuff because it will just be an argument sink, and I don't feel like having lengthy conversations on some topics.
I disagree. Unintentional sexism is so much worse, actually, because then it's part of the game, rather than just part of the setting.
Then enlighten me; why did you respond to the part of my post asking about females?
Because the current topic was "Why don't ALL games have a chose the gender of the main character" so I assumed that was what your post was about. I didn't know you were talking about something completely different.
Wait, since when? My point this entire time, for the last page and a half or so, was about games being able to but unwilling to have more female characters, and about games whose characters would still function as a story(it might not be the same story, but it's still a story, still viable, and still something they aren't doing).
THIS IS THE WHOLE GODDAMN PROBLEM DAMNIT HOW DO YOU NOT SEE THAT?
Here is kind of the difference. Your not helping. You are putting standards onto female characters in order to fit a criteria of non-sexism.
To do it you need to absolutely not care about sexism.
What? I don't even...you are making zero sense whatsoever. Seriously, I can barely even respond because your response is so confusing. Where did I start putting standards onto female characters? How does not caring about sexism help
anything?!?If it would be considered a sexist game with the genders swapped, it's entirely possible that it is a sexist game as it is.
No... because if the female characters were male, usually it would make the game not sexist.
For get the depiction of the female characters in the game for one second it is COMPLETELY unimportant and just look at the male characters.
Wow. I wanna stop for a second and take a look at this statement.
The female characters in the game are completely unimportant, only the male characters matter.Would you like to rephrase that? That's such a disastrously awful thing to say I'm willing to believe it was an honest blunder, a digital foot in mouth, so to speak. But as it is...jeezus.
Ethan is a divorced father completely destroyed by the loss of his son and goes on a journey maiming himself several times in order to get him back and has sex with a random stranger because she asks him to.
Lets Gender swap this shall we?
Ethel is a divorced mother completely destroyed by the loss of her daughter and goes on a journey where she gets maimed several times in order to get her back and has sex with a random stranger because he asks her to.
Oh, cute, you phrased it in such a way as to make your point. Because going out with the person who helped you save your child is completely unreasonable -or is it just because a woman isn't allowed to
want to have sex without looking like a slut? This leaves out, of course, the part where they're in a coma for several months, Ethan trying to save Jason and being injured in the process(and failing, which is kindof important), and of course the serious brain damage that seems to have continued, based on the whole 'blackouts' thing that happen. Nice nameflip though, props for that, at least.
Now, I'd like you to look at that a second time. Real quick. 'maiming himself several times' vs. 'where she gets maimed several times'. You probably didn't even mean to, but you still made it so the male version is active, while the female version is more passive; things happen to
her, while
he does things. An honest mistake, but a valuable piece of insight into your thought processes.
Hmm so Ethel is both the "Mother" character who is only doing something for her kids... and she is painfully maimed for shock value who needs to be saved and nurtured by another man who in some endings solves her issue, and who is redeemed through a male character (Even if I personally thought Ethan solo was a better ending... the game depicts it as the sad ending). That sounds like a VERY sexist character.
Male characters are only uncommonly shown to be nurturing or healing figures. Being maimed for shock value isn't really relevant, since it would apply to both genders(unless there's a different reason Ethan was maimed? In which case it would apply to Ethel as well.). 'In some endings' somehow means the character is sexist, apparently, while in other endings she solves the problem herself, or, as far as I can tell, the Male Madison simply warns Ethel so she isn't shot to death by police. Being 'redeemed' by a male character? I don't even know what this refers to, though I would be fairly sure she wouldn't need redeemed, considering the lengths she was going to for her daughter(although she did murder someone, so...).
Now, I'm going to take a moment, and thank you. I'm going to thank you for proving my point, considering my point was that if it's sexist whilst gender-flipped, it's probably sexist when not gender-flipped, and vice versa. Reread that sentence to make sure you understand what I'm trying to say, since we are misinterpreting each other so often here, apparently.
If Ethan was a woman I guarantee that people would be talking about how sexist her depiction was... by you even. The only thing that would seem progressive, other then her being the main character, is the fact that she isn't given magic mother psychic powers that allows her to know how her children are feeling to the point where she actually needs to learn to be a better mother rather then it being handed to her, thus making her seem like a real person as opposed to a videogame character.
Unless you are going to argue that the depiction of Ethan is somehow sexist towards men... and honestly? It really isn't. Ethan isn't macho and never learns martial arts, he genuinely cares for his children and tries to make a connection, and he shows genuine emotions other then anger. By all means he is a progressive male character.
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This part just confuses me. What's your point here?