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Re: Only two posts on 'Tropes vs Women in Video Games'
« Reply #2085 on: June 11, 2013, 01:21:28 am »

We know there is horrible gender imbalance and abused tropes.
Citation STRONGLY NEEDED. :')

Additionally: http://femfreq.tumblr.com/post/52673540142/twitter-vs-female-protagonists-in-video-games
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Re: Only two posts on 'Tropes vs Women in Video Games'
« Reply #2086 on: June 11, 2013, 01:26:13 am »

What is that link meant to show? What relevance does it have?

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Re: Only two posts on 'Tropes vs Women in Video Games'
« Reply #2087 on: June 11, 2013, 01:30:08 am »

Absolutely none in regards to the last infinity of this discussion. It is only relevant to people who are following this thread for Anita. Which is possibly only me at this point, I'm not entirely sure anymore what you all are talking about. I stopped trying to have a serious discussion here as soon as you all drove away Vector.
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Re: Only two posts on 'Tropes vs Women in Video Games'
« Reply #2088 on: June 11, 2013, 01:31:15 am »

Even relating to Anita, what is it meant to show? What are the implications you believe relevant?

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Re: Only two posts on 'Tropes vs Women in Video Games'
« Reply #2089 on: June 11, 2013, 01:33:14 am »

It was more of a news-like posting than anything.
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Re: Only two posts on 'Tropes vs Women in Video Games'
« Reply #2090 on: June 11, 2013, 01:47:05 am »

Allow me to answer your question with a question! What do you think the intended implications of the post were? Anita's post, I mean. Willfor's clarified already.
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Re: Only two posts on 'Tropes vs Women in Video Games'
« Reply #2091 on: June 11, 2013, 01:49:15 am »

I wasn't exactly sure. It doesn't seem to show anything interesting or unexpected, so I'm wondering why that specific post.

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Re: Only two posts on 'Tropes vs Women in Video Games'
« Reply #2092 on: June 11, 2013, 02:05:48 am »

If you've got nothing you can think of to say, why bother posting? Ordinarily I'm not going to pick on somebody for just asking questions, but I get the feeling you think it ought not to have been posted and are looking for some reasoning to dispute. Maybe I'm overreacting, but this thread is getting pretty toxic lately, and I figured I'd best not dance around what's bothering me here.
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Re: Only two posts on 'Tropes vs Women in Video Games'
« Reply #2093 on: June 11, 2013, 02:12:37 am »

Because this thread has been pretty toxic lately and when somebody posts a link to something and I can't figure out why I kind of get the feeling I missed some point...

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« Reply #2094 on: June 11, 2013, 03:01:30 am »

Additionally: http://femfreq.tumblr.com/post/52673540142/twitter-vs-female-protagonists-in-video-games
Why she's wrong:
Mirrors Edge 2 - Female Protagonist, will be released "when it's ready"
Dragon Age: Inquisition - Character of unspecified gender, hopefully able to choose

Her point:
Dark Souls 2 - male protagonist
Battlefront 3 - generic soldiers (Rebel Sniper is normally female), probably has female heroes like Battlefront 2
Battlefield 4 - generic soldiers
Dead Rising 3 - male protagonist
Halo 5 - Male PC (I would like to jokingly point out that Cortana is an object)
Metal Gear Solid 5: The Phantom Pain - Male protagonist (barring an MGS2-style switcheroo)
Ryse: Son of Rome - Male PC (female PC wouldn't make sense unless you played from the Celtic perspective)
Titanfall - Generic Soldiers in bodysuits
1886 - male protagonist
Witcher 3: Wild Hunt - male protagonist
Sunset Overdrive - male protagonist
Crimson Dragon - ?
Project Spark - I can't tell from the one screenshot I was able to load
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Re: Only two posts on 'Tropes vs Women in Video Games'
« Reply #2095 on: June 11, 2013, 03:24:32 am »

Eh, I don't like to include [Select Gender] games as games with a female protagonist. It feels like a bit of a cop out when you look at all the games with exclusively male protagonists. Were it not for Mirrors Edge 2 I would say she made a fair point.
Although female protagonists are still under represented, saying that there were no games with female protagonists is dishonest.

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« Reply #2096 on: June 11, 2013, 07:25:01 am »

Eh, I don't like to include [Select Gender] games as games with a female protagonist. It feels like a bit of a cop out when you look at all the games with exclusively male protagonists. Were it not for Mirrors Edge 2 I would say she made a fair point.
Although female protagonists are still under represented, saying that there were no games with female protagonists is dishonest.

Or she didn't see it yet because two hours after that tweet she sent:

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And the first #E3 announcement trailer to focus on a female character is... @Bioware's Dragon Age: Inquisition http://bit.ly/106DEzS

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I am absolutely thrilled about the Mirror's Edge 2 announcement! The original game is one of my all time favorites! http://bit.ly/sorDw

Hasty? Apparently. Dishonest? ... Maybe you use that word too hastily.
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« Reply #2097 on: June 11, 2013, 08:00:47 am »

Not to mention the tweet specifically referred to the Xbox One press conference which only showed these games.
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Re: Only two posts on 'Tropes vs Women in Video Games'
« Reply #2098 on: June 11, 2013, 10:11:52 am »

I really don't think giving trolls and dumb people attention by publishing their tweets and essentially calling for action against them is a good way to handle them.
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« Reply #2099 on: June 11, 2013, 11:49:25 am »

I really don't think giving trolls and dumb people attention by publishing their tweets and essentially calling for action against them is a good way to handle them.
It's making people aware of the kind of shit women in the public eye have to deal with when they stick their necks out. Ignoring it doesn't make it go away, but pointing it out helps others recognise the problem and call it out. It's easy to shrug off someone insulting a woman when it looks like an isolated incident. When you recognise it as part of the background radiation of misogyny they have to constantly deal with it's a lot more likely you will recognise it as an actual problem and maybe call them out on it.
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