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[Nerjin]

Yep, Otto's is already snuffed and the wick destroyed. So... There's that.

[Captain Ford]

PFP

No hang on ... there might not be a doomspeaker. It could simply be the gods putting the squeeze on us to get this done.

And don't doomspeakers lose if we lynch the scum before time runs out? (Yes, they do)


Solifuge: Fuck. Why do you think white candles aren't worth snuffing? There is a reason for every single time Ottofar's candle came back, and none of them work anymore. WHY DO YOU KEEP IGNORING THAT?

Nerjin has just admitted that he can't block us from snuffing whites today. So that barrier is out of the way. We need to snuff the whites today.

The first few times we snuffed Ottofar's white, it WORKED. It came back because Nerjin lit it again. Nerjin can't do that anymore.

If Nerjin is telling the truth, then yes, there must be one more, because Ottofar couldn't be the one who was exploding candles in the night, because one exploded last night and his green was out.

(So yes, Tiruin, I guess you were right and I was wrong, and the scum's abilities do come from green candles).

What I want to know is how YOU knew the exact role abilities of Nerjin, but attributed to the wrong player.

AND NO, IT CAN'T BE ME, BECAUSE MY ABILITY WAS CONFIRMED YOU DOOFUS!

So either Webadict or Onyxjew. To be honest, I'm leaning towards Webadict just because Ranger and he claimed different gods.

[Solifuge]

I have 4 votes, but I can't vote more than once on the same candidate, and we can only do 2 actions today. Can't say I didn't try:

Snuff Captain Ford Green
Snuff Nerjin Green
Snuff Captain Ford Green
Snuff Nerjin Green

SOl: Why only 3 people out of the other candidates remaining?

Spoiler: How potential Scum Candidates have been ruled out: (click to show/hide)

All Possible Scum (started with their Green lit):
Captain Ford
Dariush
Nerjin
Okami No Rei / Zombie Urist
Onyxjew944
RangerCado / Webadict
Tiruin

Dariush is irrelevant, because his Green is snuffed.

Okami/ZU is irrelevant, because he is 3rd Party, dead, and snuffed.

Nerjin is self-confessed Scum. Irrelevant, because he's getting his Green snuffed too.

Onyxjew944 was cleared as Town by Okami no Rei/ Zombie Urist's investigation. His god is Telmorin: Link

Tiruin, you can't be Scum. You would currently be leading an investigation against yourself, when you could already have won by agreeing with me. And you could have given the votes you gave me to a Scumbuddy to secure your victory. Not to mention you brought me back in the first place.

Webadict doesn't make sense as Scum. He left, and scum Web would not do that so close to victory; he'd have preyed on our confusion and ensured his victory. And he'd have been much more excited about the game. Additionally, he'd have kept the Scum Team much better organized than this, and the other Scum would sound more like him, because they'd be using his arguments.

Captain Ford is all that remains.

Here is why Captain Ford is our 3rd Scum, and why we need to snuff his Green in addition to Nerjin's. First, we have Okami's very nice chart that shows how Scum lost their actions when Captain Ford or Ottofar had their Greens snuffed or were Roleblocked. I've added information for the last 2 days as well:

Spoiler: Exhibit A) (click to show/hide)

N1 - Captain Ford Roleblocked by Toaster
Scum snuffed Toaster Green, and Hid Otto White
Candle Changes: 1
Scum actions: 2

N2 - No claimed Roleblocks
Otto white loses hidden status,  Otto green is Lit
Dariush white gains hidden status, Dariush green is Snuffed.
Candle Changes: 2
Scum actions: 3

N3 - No claimed Roleblocks, Ottofar unconscious
Dariush white loses hidden status.
Otto white is Lit.
Vector green is Snuffed.
Candle changes: 2
Scum actions: 2

N4 - No claimed Roleblocks, Ottofar unconscious
Otto white is Lit.
Vector white is Snuffed.
Candle changes: 2
Scum actions: 2

To add to that:
N5 - No claimed Roleblocks, Ottofar's Green is Out, Powers Changed.
Solifuge White is Snuffed and Wickless.
Solifuge Green is Destroyed.
Candle changes: 2
Scum actions: 2
** This was right after Captain Ford was freaking out that I knew about the scumteam/endgame, but I hadn't said what.

N6 - No claimed Roleblocks, Ottofar's Green is out.
Remuthra's White is Snuffed and Wickless.
Zombie Urist's White is Destroyed
Candle Changes: 2
Scum Actions: 2
** This after Captain Ford / Nerjin lead a lynch on ZU... after he claimed to be an Alignment Cop, and cleared Onyxjex644.

Here, we see Captain Ford and Ottofar happily voting in line with one another, trying to waste the Town's votes on a dead player who couldn't make use of their powers:

Spoiler: Exhibit B) (click to show/hide)

I think we should Light Solifuge Green and teal instead.
I'd like to see if he returns to life that way.

Also Ottofar paces around the room, poking everyone as he goes along, then returns to his place.

I was thinking that myself. Then I joined the sheep and voted for his white.

Unvote.

Light Solifuge's Green Candle
Light Solifuge's Teal Candle

I'll hedge my bets for now, and see which gets more votes. I don't think we should spend them both on Solifuge because it's possible he's out of the game for good.

Here we see Captain Ford fretting about how Town he appears, even encouraging Vector to investigate him because he "has nothing to hide":

Spoiler: Exhibit C) (click to show/hide)

(It just occurred to me that white candles might reveal alignment, since we don't know what else they do. They might just do nothing, but if that's not the case, I'd invite you to inspect my white candle tonight. I don't have anything to hide)

Here we see Captain Ford apologizing for "accidentally" tying the Day Vote so it was canceled... and then asking the Town to spend their vote empowering him. (P.S. I believe I remember him doing/trying to tie the vote a second time, but I can't find the day):

Spoiler: Exhibit D) (click to show/hide)

I am incredibly sorry for tying up the vote yesterday. I was incredibly shocked (and more than a little angry) when I saw it had happened.

I would still like to have my own Teal candle lit.

Here we see Captain Ford betray that he knew reviving me was Pro-Town, despite having no way to know I was Town unless he was Scum:

Spoiler: Exhibit E) (click to show/hide)

By that logic, if you light the white candle and he does come back, you won't know if it's the white candle or any candle that does it.

Yeah. But then he's alive. There's something to be said for that.

Something good or bad?

Good.

To expand on that now that I'm home: It's "good" because Solifuge alive is what I want to happen. As to whether or not it's beneficial in the game itself ... I can't answer that.

[Nerjin]

@Ford Regarding Solifuge's guess he really did just guess. I actually got a bit of a rush from how close he got. But no Soli's not scum.

[Solifuge]

Where was that established? There are 99 pages of this game and most of them are noise.

NQT: the TL;DR on why we need to snuff Greens instead of Whites is that Greens enable scum to actually perform their kills and actions. That, and Meph's hints have told us that "The Green Candles are the key to victory" and "We have to Overpower our enemies" (Green candles being linked to Role-Powers). Oh, and also Scum have been targetting our Greens, not our Whites. Their Lit Greens need to outnumber the number of Town's Lit Greens in order to win.

Not to mention that all the Scum are trying to convince us to snuff their own Whites right now, instead of their Greens... which makes it sort of obvious.

[Solifuge]

AND NO, IT CAN'T BE ME, BECAUSE MY ABILITY WAS CONFIRMED YOU DOOFUS!

Your ability being that you can doublevote? How does that prove you're not scum? You're suggesting that it's impossible that the Scum Priest-King couldn't have gained the power to Double-Vote during the end-game, when everyone else powered up?

[Captain Ford]

FUCK!

Okay, here's the reason why we have to snuff whites and not greens: Vector had an ability that told her ONLY ONE THING: Whether or not a candle was related to eliminating threats to the town.

She pointed out Ottofar as scum based on an inspection on his WHITE. ERGO, HIS WHITE IS THE ONE THAT NEEDS TO BE SNUFFED.

YOU ARE A FUCKING IDIOT SOLIFUGE. SNUFF THE WHITES.

AND NO, IT CAN'T BE ME, BECAUSE MY ABILITY WAS CONFIRMED YOU DOOFUS!

Your ability being that you can doublevote? How does that prove you're not scum? You're suggesting that it's impossible that the Scum Priest-King couldn't have gained the power to Double-Vote during the end-game, when everyone else powered up?

MY ABILITY DURING DAYS 1-4 WAS ALSO CONFIRMED. I COULDN'T HAVE LIT ANY CANDLES, OR SNUFFED ANY CANDLES, OR HID ANY CANDLES DURING THAT TIME.

[Solifuge]

MY ABILITY DURING DAYS 1-4 WAS ALSO CONFIRMED. I COULDN'T HAVE LIT ANY CANDLES, OR SNUFFED ANY CANDLES, OR HID ANY CANDLES DURING THAT TIME.

Explain this for everyone, hopefully in fewer All Caps.

[Nerjin]

Where was that established? There are 99 pages of this game and most of them are noise.

NQT: the TL;DR on why we need to snuff Greens instead of Whites is that Greens enable scum to actually perform their kills and actions. That, and Meph's hints have told us that "The Green Candles are the key to victory" and "We have to Overpower our enemies" (Green candles being linked to Role-Powers). Oh, and also Scum have been targetting our Greens, not our Whites. Their Lit Greens need to outnumber the number of Town's Lit Greens in order to win.

Not to mention that all the Scum are trying to convince us to snuff their own Whites right now, instead of their Greens... which makes it sort of obvious.

Show me where either of us try to convince you to snuff our whites. I voted mine because I want out of the game. Dar wants me to snuff my green instead I do it!

Hey...HEY! Moron! FUCKING MORON! READ MY FUCKING POSTS BEFORE YOU START SPOUTING BULL-SHIT!

[Note; Do not read the below]

Spoiler: Catharsis (click to show/hide)

FUCKING IDIOT! MORON! DUMB-ASS! YOU STUPID FUCKING TRITE DUMB BASTARD! SON OF A BITCH! I TELL EVERYTHING! I ADMIT TO BEING SCUM AND YOU MORONS STILL CAN'T FIGURE IT OUT APPARENTLY! I'M TELLING YOU WHAT OUR PLAN IS AND YOU FUCKING JACK-ASSES STILL CAN'T FIGURE OUT THE PLAN! YOU IGNORANT FUCKS!

[notquitethere]

Thanks Soli, that makes sense.

Snuff Nerjin and Ford Green.

Frankly, I have neither the time nor the energy to investigate Solifuge's claims. I'm just going to go along with it now unless someone shows me a chart or something that indicates that we should act to the contrary.

[Solifuge]

Nerjin, all the incendiary BS in the world is not going to distract me from my case.

For anyone not convinced that Greens need to be snuffed, or that I haven't pinned the scum, just look at Nerjin and Ford's behavior. They were pretty calm when we were voting for Whites, and before Captain Ford was fingered as the 3rd Scum. As soon as I finger Ford as the final accomplice, they suddenly start lashing out at me... especially funny because Nerjin is self-confessed Scum, who "just wants to lose!"

You're putting a lot of effort out there, for someone who doesn't care anymore.

[Nerjin]

You fucking retarded ape! I'm voting for my green! BY YOUR LOGIC THAT MEANS THAT GREENS ARE NOT THE ISSUE! God damn are an idiot.

I'm putting effort in for the TOWN JACK-ASS! Ford's not scum! It's Web! WEB IS THE OTHER SCUM-MATE!

YOU FUCKING IDIOT!

[Captain Ford]

MY ABILITY DURING DAYS 1-4 WAS ALSO CONFIRMED. I COULDN'T HAVE LIT ANY CANDLES, OR SNUFFED ANY CANDLES, OR HID ANY CANDLES DURING THAT TIME.

Explain this for everyone, hopefully in fewer All Caps.

I claimed my ability on Day 2 - Immunity to vote manipulation. When Dariush used his reset, my vote was supposed to be unchanged, but Meph forgot, and when I asked him to clarify, he admitted his mistake:

Meph: Please confirm that this votecount should have contained my votes to light Solifuge's Green and Teal candles.

This is correct. Hectic workdays sometimes cause me to miss things. My apologies.

A candle was snuffed the night I was roleblocked, and with Nerjin's claim that THAT was the mafiakill, my being blocked actually CLEARS ME. Nerjin's ability to light candles was HIS. NOT MINE. And a candle not being lit that night says NOTHING ABOUT ME.

We had a mafia kill yes. That's very true BUT guess what? If town can negate what we do we might as well just not do anything! The best we could have done was a stale-mate. Then we got to the point where candles stopped being re-lightable. Scum paradise right? WRONG. It just means that we finally had an ability to do something except... Now we've been told for a fact that this is the last day. WHAT CAN WE DO!? We're apparently supposed to eliminate all the town greens. The two of us. With perfect play there'd still be town greens stuck around.

WHAT?

AHAHAHA. HAHA. AHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

I WAS RIGHT. Suck it.


I am not calm because I am amazed at how stupid you are.

LOOK AT THIS ARGUMENT, LOOK AT IT:

Okay, here's the reason why we have to snuff whites and not greens: Vector had an ability that told her ONLY ONE THING: Whether or not a candle was related to eliminating threats to the town.

She pointed out Ottofar as scum based on an inspection on his WHITE. ERGO, HIS WHITE IS THE ONE THAT NEEDS TO BE SNUFFED.

YOU ARE A FUCKING IDIOT SOLIFUGE. SNUFF THE WHITES.

[Toaster]

Reminder:  Dariush is totally correct.  Absolutely nothing Ottofar and Nerjin say anymore should be considered- or really even read- at this point.

[Captain Ford]

Gods, Nerjin. I never expected us to be agreeing like this.

Well, win or lose, at least I know I was right. I even guessed that you had the ability to light candles and that there was a mafiakill. I've pointed out what we have to do to win, with a case that doesn't even rely on scumhunting, and nobody's even reading it.

Snuff Nerjin White
Snuff Ottofar White

PPE: Shut up Toaster. He's the only one in this game that's making any sense.