I am calm now.
Vector:Seriously. You have one vote on you. Stop flipping out.
Bleh. The votes weren't what set me off.
I got frustrated because my questions were going unanswered. I got angry at you because you claimed a meta read on me, which meant you must have read my posts, and yet you didn't feel like I deserved a response. It's one thing if you simply didn't see my questions. That's frustrating. But if you DID read them and didn't feel I was worth answering, that's insulting.
Tantrums are one of the challenges that came with my particular flavor of Aspergers. I had them a lot when I was younger, but I haven't really had big trouble with them in real life for decades.
Something about the forum environment is bringing it out in me again. This is (at least) the third time I've flipped out while playing here. It's not your fault, it's mine.
And it revolves entirely around difficulties with communication. It goes back a long way to when I was first struggling with expressing myself.
I let the anger flow because it lets you know what my state of mind is. I can tell you I'm getting frustrated, but it's much more effective to SHOW you.
I do apologize if I went overboard. It was meant to stay within the context of the game, it wasn't meant to be a personal attack.
I'm not very good at expressing or recognizing my building frustration, either. When I do erupt, it's often as much of a surprise to me as it is to everyone else. Sorry about that, everyone.
PPE: I'm gonna add to this again. I was trying to engage in discussion, and then two people jump on me with two accusations with no reasoning or discussion of any kind. Things that in a normal game have a lot of discussion attached. We've got a fucking puzzle in front of us. What really set me off is that you were trying to make me out to be the bad guy for trying to engage in discussion.
Yeah, a lot of people's theories weren't getting attention either. But I did discuss ideas with other people and I asked them questions for clarification. I was doing my due diligence, and it felt like I was the only one.
Apologies if you feel I wasn't being fair. But I do feel that you were being unfair.
So I'm sorry everyone for exploding like that. I'm not very good at handling my emotions sometimes. It's a work in progress.
I was sent a PM saying that I very much want that candle lit, and as we need to experiment around with what the candles do, I figured I'd volunteer myself.
I have no fucking idea what it will do, and it's occurred to me that the scumteam might have a power that permits the transmission of such a message (or maybe "being extra-close to my god" means that I'll get such messages?), but I figure that the game should first be played straight to the best of our abilities.
...so either it came from Meph, or someone out there knows something about this setup that they're not sharing with the rest of us.
I'm sorry for being wary, but there is something very suspicious about this. Why send the PM to you? What do they know about your role? How do they know it?
Toaster:Ford:
What do you think will happen if your white candle goes out?
That I'll be unable to take actions, and be dead or effectively dead. That is the present consensus.
I'm not asking what the present consensus is. I'm asking what you think will happen.
...I'm honestly not sure. But both the color white and the fact they all start lit seem to strongly hint that they're a lynch analog. There has to be some analog to a lynch, otherwise this isn't much of a mafia game.
The primary effect of a "lynch" in this game is denying a person the ability to speak in-thread and the ability to vote or use actions, assuming we can re-light their candle.
I'm also a little wary that there might be a hidden time limit, such as someone having an ability that gains strength over time. This game could otherwise go on for a very long time.
None of these have gotten any kind of response:
First off, if granting abilities is indeed what one (or both) of those candles do, why are we so eager to hand out new abilities? Doesn't that seem a little risky to anyone?
Lighting Remuthra's green candle would be a good way to test if that's what's giving me my ability.
It's interesting that the high priest specifically said that nothing can affect the candles except our votes. Either he's mistaken, we can be killed without the candles being affected, or the scumteam can't kill people directly. (or the white candles don't have anything to do with life after all)
Another theory: Perhaps the traitors who follow gods of light/darkness are affected by the total number of candles lit or snuffed out? (Balance of light/darkness) We might want to keep the number of lit candles balanced.
If we can only affect two candles per day, and that's the only way to decide the game, then it seems like the game would proceed very slowly.
...another thing. What if this is like one of those puzzles where changing one light affects the others in some pattern? (Actually, this one got a reply from Tiruin)
Hmm ... well my PM isn't phrased the same way. Is it possible that your power isn't affected by the candles but mine is?
Hmm...I wonder if there might be certain players who have abilities that only work when they're "dead". The idea occurred to me because of the light/dark themes. I'm speculating pretty far in advance, though. We don't even know that people can actually die yet.
...also, if people can be brought back to life, how do we know when we win? There has to be a way to "find the spies".
"break their power" sounds like it corresponds to the candles pretty directly. It seems to be our only way of interacting with the game, at least so far.
But what I'm most ticked off about is the fact that I put out a proposal (light Remuthra's green candle and see if he gains the same ability as me).
We have the same god, but he has no abilities, while I have one, and he has only his white candle lit while I have a white and a green. It seems logical that he would gain an ability, and perhaps even the same ability. If that's the case, he can verify my claim and claim the ability's description, and I can validate it. This would provide valuable information, don't you agree?
I feel much more comfortable giving a green candle to Remuthra than I do to Vector.
Dariush: Argh. This is exactly why I'm frustrated.
I claimed my god. TWICE.
Avos. The same as Remuthra.
Cado, why do you think that if a candle flares brighter, then that means that it's going to explode or something? Looks like a major overreaction to me.
Why don't you? An effect that was benign probably wouldn't have even had a visible effect.
In terms of game balance, powerful abilities usually have some kind of warning so they don't result in a
TPK, unless the party is stupid enough to ignore it.
Why ignore what looks like an obvious sign of a trap?
Tiruin: I don't agree that it was communication based rage. Most people have posted candle theories and few have gotten meaningful responses. He got mad because he got called out over something he didn't do, even though he's guilty for another reason. Also, his rage over being voted over scumhunting-based reasoning while ignoring his puzzlecrafting reasoning is totally baseless.
True enough. *sigh* I can clearly see I'm not the only one whose theory questions went unanswered. But I did engage in discussion with other people. I asked questions. I gave responses. You did not engage with me, nor did Vector. It was incredibly frustrating to be the only one in the game questioning what the fuck was going on and then being jumped on for daring to question things.
You should either read the ref I gave to BM 38 (It goes on pretty much until the end of the game), or trust Tiruin's opinion, since she was the one I was arguing with. She would know better than anyone whether or not I'm telling the truth (and it's not like you haven't seen it before. I did the same thing with ZU early on in M&M&H, and
you counseled me about it).
I revealed part of my role and gave a proposal for voting, and it got no attention. I bumped it several times, and still, even after I blew up, it hasn't gotten any response. I don't get that.
In retrospect, it's unlikely that Remuthra would have exactly the same role ability as me. But no one pointed out that obvious flaw in my reasoning.
Tiruin: God you are so good at communicating. You're totally right about what you're reading out of me. A lot of things I didn't even notice myself.
Mostly I got frustrated because I didn't understand what was going on, and my attempts to get clarification went unanswered. ("Why is everyone blindly voting for Vector's green candle? Without reasoning? Without discussion?")
At the time that Vector voted me, I had asked numerous questions for clarification (to you, to Toaster, to everyone at large, I'm not even sure what they all were anymore) but hadn't gotten answers yet.
Though you do raise a point. Ford what's up with this post?
Ah. I guess I was expressing my frustration before I exploded.
That was a passive aggressive attempt to get people to pay attention to me. It didn't work. (I don't know why I expected it to)
And this XD
Ok...that was morbid, but the shift in wording and feel to the ice cream with both spoon and fork. Yeah, that got me...
I'm betting you were joking here, right? Reminds me of "when the Mafia board had Archangel day."
Nope. Not joking.
I really was eating ice cream with a fork. And I still have no idea what happened to my spoon.
I calmed down after ranting and realized I was eating ice cream with a fork and felt like sharing it. Because my sense of humor is quirky like that. Glad it made someone laugh.
You're touching the peak of doubt and suspicion here. Why so, Ford?
I didn't realize you'd claimed the ability. I ran the Tomb of Horrors. I know that "that's probably harmless" is the worst attitude to have. Everything should be examined carefully if we're going to figure out the puzzle before it's too late. Anyone who wants to rush through it is rushing to their doom. (I'm seriously amazed that so many people pushed for a shorten and then dropped off the face of the earth)
Knowing it's been claimed does change things. Now you're accountable for what happens. I'm still hesitant to consider snuffing that candle to be a good idea, since I don't know what your ability does (but I'm certainly less paranoid).
I did say that I was against the notion of candles = power...or something like that. (Meaning: Snuff a lit green - no more power, unless those candles are holy somehow)
The head priest of our temple is floating five feet in the air, possessed by the gods and filled with holy power. He has told us the gods are testing us, and when I attempted to put out a candle, I found it completely impossible.
I think it's safe to assume these candles are tied into some kind of divine power. Why the hell else are we dicking around with them? And the head priest explicitly said they would affect us.
Extend. I've got another hour and then I'm gone for the day.
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