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[notquitethere]

Unvote Ford, either you're not scum or you're vastly less sincere than I'd hitherto believed you capable. I know what that sort of everyone's not listening frustration is like (hell, I was right all along in the Revolution game but everyone thought I was scum). But man, insulting everyone isn't productive.

So are we snuffing Nerjin or Webadict green or white or what?

[Solifuge]

You can:
A) Listen to Nerjin, the confirmed scum, and go after Webadict
B) Ignore Captain Ford's emotional appeal, and get back to voting for him.

Consider that Ford has been refuted on all other accounts, and has no scum candidates to suggest either. Trying to make you feel bad for voting for him is literally all he has left. And against all sensibility, it's succeeding.

Current Scum Candidates:
Onyxjew is out; he was already confirmed to have the god Telmorin, and thus is Town.

Webadict is out, because he wouldn't storm out of a game and get all pissy if he was about to pull off a Scum Win. He'd be in here, winning. And he'd have kept the Scumteam in line much better.

Vector has provided valuable scumhunting on Ottofar with her Candle Cop ability, and Scum have snuffed several of her candles, so she's clear.

Dariush and Toaster have confirmed their abilities publicly. They have no greens lit either, so if not clear, they're still irrelevant.

And scum killed me as hard as they possibly could, and Tiruin brought me back just so I could vote and talk today... so unless you'd like to vote for yourself, I don't see a lot of options other than Ford. Do you?

[Nerjin]

You can:
A) Listen to Nerjin, the confirmed scum, and go after Webadict
B) Ignore Captain Ford's emotional appeal, and get back to voting for him.

Consider that Ford has been refuted on all other accounts, and has no scum candidates to suggest either. Trying to make you feel bad for voting for him is literally all he has left. And against all sensibility, it's succeeding.

Current Scum Candidates:
Onyxjew is out; he was already confirmed to have the god Telmorin, and thus is Town.

Webadict is out, because he wouldn't storm out of a game and get all pissy if he was about to pull off a Scum Win. He'd be in here, winning. And he'd have kept the Scumteam in line much better.

Vector has provided valuable scumhunting on Ottofar with her Candle Cop ability, and Scum have snuffed several of her candles, so she's clear.

Dariush and Toaster have confirmed their abilities publicly. They have no greens lit either, so if not clear, they're still irrelevant.

And scum killed me as hard as they possibly could, and Tiruin brought me back just so I could vote and talk today... so unless you'd like to vote for yourself, I don't see a lot of options other than Ford. Do you?

A few problems with your theory:

1. Onyxjew says he's third party in that post.

2. Simply saying you're an alignment doesn't mean anything. I've lied about my god before so that's out as well.

3. We can't win you moron. How many times do I have to tell you? I'm getting sorta tired of being helpful. He quit because we couldn't win and the game was horribly unbalanced towards us.

If you insist though feel free to snuff Ford I guess. No skin off my back. Just wish you'd stop getting off on the smell of your own piss and actually consider that you might be wrong.

[Captain Ford]

Nerjin: So what would we need to do to win?

Your team used three actions on night 2, at which time Ottofar's green was unlit, which implies he was still able to use the "mafiasnuff" despite not having a green candle lit. Is this correct?

[Captain Ford]

What is your wincon anyway?

[Nerjin]

Apparently our wincon is to snuff town greens. Can't do that.

For town to win I assume you just snuff our greens.

The "Mafia Snuff" was not a role power but only one of us could use it per night.

[notquitethere]

I don't see why the wincons would have to be symmetrical like that. That said, we've not had a flip after snuffing any kind of candle, so it's hard to say.

[Solifuge]

A few problems with your theory:

1. Onyxjew says he's third party in that post.

2. Simply saying you're an alignment doesn't mean anything. I've lied about my god before so that's out as well.

3. We can't win you moron. How many times do I have to tell you? I'm getting sorta tired of being helpful. He quit because we couldn't win and the game was horribly unbalanced towards us.

If you insist though feel free to snuff Ford I guess. No skin off my back. Just wish you'd stop getting off on the smell of your own piss and actually consider that you might be wrong.

1. None of this is even true... Onyxjex is not 3rd Party, never claimed to be 3rd Party, and nothing has indicated he was 3rd Party. Did you read the link? Where the hell is this coming from?

2. Onyxjew did not state his alignment. It was cleared by Okami no Rei, the Alignment Cop. The Alignment Cop you killed.

3. If you can't win, why are you talking? And why are you trying to "make us win" so hard? If you've actually given up, then please give up already.

And cut the inflammatory language. It's juvenile and unsportsmanlike... and frankly it's that sort of behavior that's killing the Mafia Subforum, and driving off new players.

[Captain Ford]

Actually, I think we have, kind of.

If you look at my most recent spreadsheet, you'll notice I tracked the smoke too. The smoke on ZU's white was VERY different. Enough so that I considered it to be the equivalent of a roleflip.

...Webadict's theory about the cult makes a ton more sense now. Being on the scumteam meant that he knew the scumteam wasn't a real threat. No wonder he was looking for something else.

So hey, Solifuge, if you're listening, it's Webadict. My case on him can be summed up by the above sentence putting all his bizarre actions into context. Also there's the fact that Ranger softclaimed Telmorin and he refused to claim his god for the longest time.

Snuffing the greens sounds like our best bet. (I guess that means the whites were the red herring? Huh)

Snuff Webadict Green
Snuff Nerjin Green

Look, I'm mellow now, and it's because what Nerjin is saying makes sense. Too much sense.


Nerjin: But if we snuffed all your greens, wouldn't you still be able to use the "morasadis snuff"? Kind of feels like that wouldn't fully eliminate the threat to the town.

[Nerjin]

I have a role inspect. It basically tells me who follows which god.

Vector -> Derala There is a big green eye behind her, telling her secrets
Dariush -> Andora He is in the rain, smell of clean spring air around him
Onyxjew -> Telmorin I see iron scales of justice
Tiruin -> Nirian She is eating some soup from a heath fire

On night 4 my power changed to the lighting teal thing.
Night 5 my power is now to give everyone three votes. I can turn this ability off.

Webadict is mostly right
I am third party. I win when all the teals are lit. The gods are obviously real, but different cultures have different stories, and they can not all be true. The deeper truth is that gods are characters in a play, and we should be worshiping the actors who play the gods instead. When all the teals are lit, everyone will gain knowledge and I will be proven correct.

I would say that
white -> conciousness
green -> power
teal -> knowledge

I kinda think each god corresponds with a different faction. Not too sure.

I don't think snuffing Ottofar's white is useful. We did that twice already and he just keeps coming back. I think we need to snuff's someone's green to prevent him from returning. AFAIK, white only allows voting and talking in thread.

Light Webadict teal
Light Tiruin Teal
Light Nerjin Teal

Please let me win. 

1. This is the post that you link leads to. My apologies for you incompetence making me think something else. Fuck you Solifuge.

2. Same as 1. Fuck you Solifuge.

3. Because I'm bored honestly. I'm trying to make you win because I'm honestly surprised that no one's getting the answer when I'm TELLING it to them. Fuck you Solifuge.

4. I'll say whatever the god damn hell I please until you stop being an idiot.

@Ford: You're getting closer. But my team can't do anything tonight because the game ENDS TODAY! The game ends today. The game ends today! I've said it like six times but I guess no one noticed it. Fuck you Solifuge. The Game ends TODAY!

[Solifuge]

Spoiler: @Nerjin... (click to show/hide)

I don't want to take the bait, but in addition to lying, you're honestly irritating me. At this point, your words are affecting my opinion of you as a person... after this game, I think I'll avoid associating with you when possible, because you're apparently a kinda crappy guy.

-snip-

1. & 2.
So let me get this straight... you mistook Onyxjew for Zombie Urist, and based your argument on that. Your entire argument was based on lies, and it falls apart when I point this out. And somehow, that makes me incompetent. Cool story. Do you have an actual defense, then, or are you just slinging shit because you've got nothing, and can't handle losing?

3.
First of all, if you couldn't win, why do you want us to do a specific thing? You're saying that Town has to do something to win, meaning we won't win unless we do that thing... meaning you're lying, and you can still win. Thus you're trying to win right now. If you actually couldn't win, this game would be over... that's how Meph runs games; see EVERY PARANORMAL MAFIA EVER. That aside, you are far too angry, and far too involved in getting us to not vote for Ford's Green for me to even consider taking you seriously. You've got an agenda, and it's to blow our vote on Web, so you can still win. Nothing you say is true.

4.
You can do what you want, but you're just making yourself into a shitty person to be around, having an attitude that makes an otherwise fun game suck, and contributing to making the Mafia Subforum a less enjoyable, less approachable environment for newbies. Apparently you're cool with that, though.

If you really had given up on the scumteam and tried to help the Town win, that would make you the worst player to have in any Mafia game ever. Seriously... sabotaging a game is the lowest you can get in the sportsmanship department.

TL;DR - Whatever, dude. This is the last time I'll be addressing you directly until the game is over.

Spoiler: @Ford... (click to show/hide)

Look, I'm mellow now, and it's because what Nerjin is saying makes sense. Too much sense.

Nothing he just said was accurate or true. Do you honestly mean to suggest to NQT that you are Town, and believe Nerjin (self-confessed Scum) is just so sad and contrite that he "can't win" that he is helping the Town win? And you're cool with that, and listening to what Nerjin has to say to "help you win?"

As I said above, if Nerjin actually were sabotaging the Scumteam to lose the game intentionally, I'd ask that he be barred from Meph's future games, because that's the shittiest thing a player can do. Luckily, it's just a gambit the two of you are plying... and apparently NQT is very gullible.

Spoiler: @NQT... (click to show/hide)

I know you haven't read most of the thread, and are mostly looking at recent words for your decision. Which, honestly, I can't do anything about, except remind you that the people you're listening to have been repeatedly lying and misrepresenting facts, and have no reason to help you.

If you have the time, read my last few posts (even just this one) and take a step back. We need you to stop listening to the confirmed Scum, and help us with the Ford vote, or else they may be able to pull vote shenanigans and still win. Cool?

[Nerjin]

You know what? Fuck town.

Unvote

Snuff FordGreen

Snuff SolifugeI don't care. Whatever color the next person votes do that color but for Solifuge

Help town, don't help town. Either way I'm an awful person.

Guess I'm exactly what Dariush would say "A shit-fucking ass-kissing son of a bitch who needs to be raped by a fucking CHAINSAW" God fucking damn it.

I'm sorry I assumed you'd linked me to the RIGHT GOD DAMN POST! I must be a fucking moron! I'm a god damn idiot! HOW FUCKING DARE I?

I can handle losing I can't handle you being a fucking moron! I've literally told you everything you need to win. That's what's pissing me off! This game should be over by now. I've TOLD YOU WHAT YOU NEED! SNUFF WEB'S GREEN AND MY GREEN!

MEPH HAS SAID THAT IF MY GREEN IS SNUFFED THEN WEB'S GREEN PROBABLY WON'T BE ENOUGH! HE ADMITTED IT ON THE DAMN SCUM-CHAT!

I don't care about your opinion on me. Whatever. But let me address a point or two:

Web quit, Ottofar's confirmed scum, I quit. WE CAN'T WIN AND THAT DOESN'T SABOTAGE THE GAME! That sabotages a TEAM! THere's a major difference. Besides it's the last day! God fucking damn you!

[Captain Ford]

Is Solifuge not reading your posts? His lack of comprehension is off the charts.

I'm talking with Nerjin informally now because I don't think I can change your mind. I think Nerjin and Web are right and you're cult and there's really no point in arguing because you've already won. So we can quit the arguing and just let the game end quietly now.

[Captain Ford]

"Avos, I hope I did you proud."

[Toaster]

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