While re-reading I suddenly realized a question I wanted to ask
NQT:
Do you know if your lover thing changes peoples' wincons?
Sorry for another WoT..
Ahem. Anyway, yes, you shouldn't lynch TolyK because you should lynch Sheep. TolyK is just being dumb, while Sheep is being scum.
]If TolyK is dumb, Sheep dies anyway due to poison. What's your side to it?
No. He. Doesn't. I already said that my poison "fades away" when I die.
Tiruin: I guess you're mostly right. I won't revote you for now. I feel like I've gotten to a point where I think I have to vote you, and that's something I don't want.
But hang on... you're voting to poison me... but you don't think I'm scum?
No, I think he's voting to poison you and to kill me because he thinks that if I'm town then I'll let you die, and if I'm the last scum it doesn't matter any more. He probably forgot that my poison fades when I die.
People voting to not antidote me: Can you give your cases please?
Everybody: If I'm alive for the night, who should I give votes to? I can give one to myself, or one vote to two others. I'm thinking Griffionday and NQT; Griff because I trust both him and his judgement and NQT because he doesn't have a vote already, and I trust him quite a bit.
Another Question For Everybody: What do you all think of Hapah's claimed truth-telling ability?
I already presented my case - you hammered last day, along with other details which are already lost somewhere in memory, or rather in the thread.
I'd say NQT and Toaster.
I think Hapah wanted folks with protects to target Toaster so that there would be less chance of a protect stopping scum's NK or the like.
Okay, i promised reads and am feeling better so lets see what i can find.
Vector hasn't done too much this game but has said she was busy multiple times. Although not being very active, she has answered any question posed to her and i see no scumminess from her. Lean-Town
NQT is who i see as the most towny. I got a town answer from my day inspect, and despite multiple claims that mess with everyones minds, he's been very forth coming about his actions and hasn't made any scummy posts to me. Town Read
I haven't found much good or bad from Toaster. Hapah's possible truth teller ability was used on him and he said he was town. Despite Hapah being Scum, i don't see anything scummy with toaster. Lean-Town
Griff has been a null read for me since Day 1, but today he has shown himself to be quite towny. He has been hunting well today, and hasn't made any scum tells i can see. Lean-Town
Tolyk's poisoning claims and rather carefree play these last few days has been a topic of arguement for a while now. Despite this, i can't see him being scum. Aside from the joking tone he has taken, nothing scummy pops out to me of his actions. If he weren't Town, i would say he was a jester of some sort, or an SK with arsonist-esque abilities. Mid point between Lean Town and Third-Party.
Sheep has appeared scummier and scummier as this day has gone by since he Hammered ZU yesterday. His actions have been unconvincing and his hunting today has been terrible. I would suggest leaving Tolyk alive and voting someone else as if Tolyk is telling the truth, we're letting sheep die to poison. Scum Read
Tiruin was my top towny pick for Day 1 and most of Day 2. Day 3 has shown a change. She has become scummier and scummier, with NQT's claim and my claim. I trust NQT and have seen no reason not to see Tiruin as scum today. Scum Read
Seems mostly logical.
If TolyK is dumb, Sheep dies anyway due to poison. What's your side to it?
Nope: as TolyK said, if he dies Sheep and NQT will not die.
If I die in any way, the people I poisoned don't die (poison stops working). If I get lynched, then NQT and TWS will live.
which is part of why I've not voted him: he's no longer able to end the game tomorrow, so I don't quite have the urgent need to off him and can go with the scummiest. Who is... I don't know; I recall it being you but it could have been Ranger for all I know. (LONG day.)
Yeah, this. Except, how do you know I'm not lying? :/ I'm not, but you seem to take it without a pinch of salt...
Tiruin:
If TolyK is dumb, Sheep dies anyway due to poison. What's your side to it?
Unless he gets lynched.
Again I see people have seen Tiruin's mistake...
If I die in any way, the people I poisoned don't die (poison stops working). If I get lynched, then NQT and TWS will live.
I am pretty damn sure that we have one mafioso remaining. I'm convinced that Sheep is mafia. I suspect that there are no other anti-town third parties. As such, I believe that when Sheep dies the game will be over in a town victory.
If we lynch Sheep, he dies. If we lynch TolyK, Sheep lives. If we either no-lynch or lynch anyone but TolyK, Sheep dies if TolyK doesn't antidote him, which I damn sure hope he doesn't. As such, if we lynch anyone but TolyK the game should end.
Therefore, lynching TolyK is the worst move we could make. QED.
Heh.
...Mainly, I'm voting TolyK over his antics, and the idea that the poisoner replaces the NK (mafiakill-type?) That, or until we can get everyone's actions out, then we can start talking.
You seem to really strongly hold on to that idea.
Toaster If the game doesn't end when TWS dies? I'm all for that sort of point, but my suspicions lie on TolyK given his style...If I may use his words, its cheerful. Too cheerful for a man with one hand on a biotoxin, and the other on the antidote.
I mean, for someone with such a power, he'd be more attentive at least. Or in the least, more serious :/
It's a game, why can't I have fun? :/
If the game doesn't end when TWS dies, then it's definitely massclaim time.
But hang on... you're voting to poison me... but you don't think I'm scum?
I think you're scum. I think TolyK is scum. I'm pretty confused.
The problem is that there's at most only one more scum. Maybe 2, but as you say yourself, you doubt it.
One is, why would you claim a Night-action immunity D1? Second is the suspicion that TolyK has chosen those people as an easy-escape given that we've no proof of their poisoning but his word--it can act as a scapegoat given that there's nothing else to back it up [lack of NKs also prodding that notion]. Three was the newbie card--if you were with Hapah/Zrk, they'd at least be advising you on how you scumhunt. You tunneled and dug into a mountain, in circles regarding your case on me, and now you step back despite your case on me being lying; something which you couldn't clarify in a reasonable enough way.
And the only reason for voting me instead of TWS is because:
I can't see a town poisoner because...poisoner. If something like that exists, I'm changing my worldview...but, poison?! A Town poisoner? BYOE and all, That's my thoughts regarding it. It could easily be a fakeclaim as arsonist or whatnot...
Well, I can't wait to see your reaction.
...You know what, fine. If TolyK is scum and a poisoner, bah.
Tiruin:
I think you're scum. I think TolyK is scum. I'm pretty confused.
So why not lynch Sheep today (or anyone besides TolyK?) That'll kill off Sheep and you can worry about TolyK later (or more accurately not at all because the game will be over.)
What flavor of scum do you think they are? You suspect five scum?
...Four scum is outrageous. Five is just wrong. If this is an exaggeration, then I'm curious why :/
TheWetSheep. Get to stating things right.
I agree that that's just way to many (much?) scum.
Now. There's one thing wrong with actually lynching TWS - you don't know whether I told the truth or not. I'd prefer to lynch someone else and have TWS die via poison, that way in case TWS is town we a) might lynch scum anyways, and b) you know that I didn't lie.
Voting is currently 3-poison TWS, 2-antidote NQT, nothing going the other way (this is not counting my vote, which is poison TWS, antidote NQT).
I'd personally lynch one of Tiruin, Vector, Ranger or someone else (whoever seems more scummy to folks - I am tied between Tiruin and Vector) and leave TWS to die. If both deaths turn out to be town deaths, then next day we massclaim.
Seem good?