Just woke up...having a
bad morning...Don't want to explain. Just hinting that it's pain causing it. :S Excuse me being grumpy.
Zrk2:
Besides, if people are trying to find my faults then they can't look for the actual scum.
Ok, read that nice post. Thanks for summarizing.
...But here, you're going along the line of confusing again :/ Yeah, I can see where you're coming at, but if people do the above, then they can also get a read on you -- town or scum, declaiming this along with "town will lose a player" if you get lynched goes along the line of losing confidence in you if people have a vague read on you, because you seem to be crying out your fate and stuff...
Now, I'm still wondering why you can't summarize your case on Ranger. Yes, you quoted the post in full -- but this sounds like or relates to the application of the fallacy of (shifting the) Burden of proof: "I need not prove my claim, you must prove it is false." due to the lack of summary...You could
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and all, or just Poke-link at Ranger.
Sheep/Ford (on voting TolyK)You call Zrk out on being suspicious primarily of lurkers, but your vote is on a lurker yourself? Explain this. In fact, the LurkerTracker says this is your second vote, and your first was an RVS vote, also on TolyK. Do you have nothing else to offer?
When you mean nothing else to offer, do you mean by my votes? Have you only used the LurkerTracker (and by that, I mean chasing my vote) as a conducive tool to come up with your reads? Because you've missed...blatantly everything else I've offered. Meaning that I can sense you're skimming, unless you can clarify what you mean by "offer".
Leaning scum, why? Because of how my vote goes? Expound please, because that's only 1 of your 2 suspects; going by votes is pretty impractical at this point because I'd like to point you to look it over again, and if I may use your own logic -- you've only 9 posts. And that you somehow
forgot your read on Ranger.TolyK is a man of lesser words than most, and I'm poking at him. Despite the lurkertracker saying he has more posts than others -- I'm still poking at him because he has the tendency to be too open-minded, giving off both town/scum/vague tells as well as using a lot of...unconventional analogy(?) or in other words has a different style of posting/logic. Different in the way that I'm [variably] confused about his alignment everytime I play with him. Glad to see he replied.
Though of all the people, I'm curious -- why me?
TolyKIt confirms that you actually read through everything, which (in my eyes) lowers your chances of being scum.
So in your statement that was to me -- addressing UI as an experiment, your conclusion was...this? How does reading lower the 'chances' of UI being scum? How does it pertain to chance anyway?
Zrk2 seems the most scummy now, though as Ford said (and Griff noted) it's "him acting in character". Possible link? I only have the gut feeling and general association, since I haven't read many of his posts in-depth and those I have don't really seem wrong to me. Might vote for.
I don't honestly know about Ranger, he's really mixed for me. Probably won't vote.
NQT is really strange. I can't find a flaw in his logic, and haven't yet seen how it would help scum EXCEPT if he did two townies.
If two people die soon from being linked, and they're town, NQT'll probably be a good lynch. But for now, I want to see where this gets us. Probably won't vote.
Recap? Meh, doesn't seem like I want to vote for anyone quite yet. Still got that "don't want to mislynch" stuff, probably.
Granted, details and your time is understandable. However, "don't seem that you like to want to vote for anyone" + "mislynch stuff" isn't. You can vote
anyone, anyone that irks your suspicion-meter. Like what I'm doing to you.
And a mislynch? That means you're subtly poking at the vote leaders, right? Because I can't see anyother way of you concluding a mislynch and then not pertaining it to them even after what you said. Clarify. Please. Doesn't seem like you've much of an inclination to press your vote though, because you're being vague with that vote, but not of its use except in stating a mislynch. Is there any case on your suspects which validate them for a mislynch?
The reasoning is fallible.
What's the sole purpose of you not voting? Why aren't you pressuring anyone?
NQTI think I get what you're saying. It's in Town's benefit to work together, but I'm wary of giving too much away about who I might have given my powers to. I'll compromise and give my reads at the beginning of Day 2, unless Day 1 drags on even longer.
...So there's a difference between now, an amount of time in D1 (which may or may not include people posting more), and D2.
What.
What difference does that make?!
Yes, and I'm not sure.
You didn't even bother to ask?
NQT:i meant that if both were town you'd probably be lynched. I didn't say anything about town or not though if they're both town then we're all screwed and you get lynched (potentially). If one or both of them was scum however, then it was a good gambit... I just thought of something. If one is scum, and someone kills his/her townie lover in the night by accident, then in the Day, that player gets us to lynch them even though their a dead man. Although i may be over thinking this.
You are overthinking this. @_@
Anyway, good 'gambit'? What's the gambit there? Also, in the later parts, if one is scum and their townie lover dies, they will also die in the next phase -- unknown when as NQT seemingly forgot to ask. Why would that killer lynch that person? I mean, it could work given the case of him/her being suspicious before, or if NQT is alive and claims whoever he acted upon...but why?
I've got two hours, a pot of coffee, and Michael Bolton just made me lol. Let's do this.
(Reading now)
Try warm milk. It works
Griff/Ford - I've linked where your conversation continued.
@Ford: You've voted Ranger/Zrk because they're...mainly different? To find out their playstyles and primarily because of that? Or was your vote on them because you found something scummy?
PFP
Ford:
I don't see why you need to invoke scumchat to explain the changes in his behavior. From what I can see, everything can be derived from things going on in the thread, as well as late-day-one burnout.
I want to see if by studying the effects of scum chat on beginners I can get a clearer idea of tells related to that, if any exist.
...You're treading the meta line again. Previous scumchat things have little to no use in the current game. While people may still retain their modus of communication from previous games, its variably very darn hard to correlate something done in an incognito channel and in a mainthread...
Also, what invoke scumchat? I don't see Griffy invoking scumchat anywhere in that post above yours.