WoT regarding ZU. Busy atm because I feel like he's misunderstanding instead of intentionally misinterpreting. Breaktime.
Though the fact that he did nothing but observe gives credit, he didn't ask anything at all beforehand.
Questions for Tiruin:
Tiruin is obviously still scummy and I will get a better post together after my midterm tomorrow, but for now
Why do you call BYOR a "nonstandard" game? What constitutes a "standard" game?
Its relative.
On your suspicions -
you never asked anything about it and went to conclusions. That's pure negative communication in its most defined meaning of the word.
1. No real suspicions
2. Lack of voting. Tiruin voted TolyK for the majority of D1 and then did an OMGUS on Ford.
3. No pressure, no scumhunting.
1. I do have suspicions - nobody's poking at them and I'm settling a few more.
2. Not an OMGUS; for the former statement, look below, for the latter: Look at what Ford did, relate it to what I did and the reasoning in between. That's pretty much of a weak statement there ZU.
3. I believe you're going by the traditional definition of scumhunting - that results should show up. Well, let me tell you that getting reads on others is just as important - I was poking at the players who I suspected were most liable for an easy lynch. Namely the newbies and those who are...hard to understand, to state bluntly. I don't know how you can't see the pressure in my posts though, but seeing how you state this declaration I'll just say that I'm all open for anything.
1. I didn't see your intention to scumhunt because it didn't look like you intended to scumhunt. Making conversation is not assertive and very weak.
2. "Sensing the feelings" sounds like a hippy ritual. Also you never had any sort of case on TolyK or Ford.
3. How am I being obstinate about it? Also the bolded part makes no sense. Yes that case was based on a quick skim. Everything you did was covered in "weak questions/minimal pressure". Reads below. Not much really.
4. Meh. Still not going to speculate cause I have no idea.
5. Meh.
1. Either its your perspective based on your playstyle because conversation, while it may be relative in how it reflects to a person,
always gives information. Weak in the sense its not assertive, probably. Yeah I can agree with that. But weak in the sense of scumhunting? I beg to differ.
2. Well, how do you find scum without any investigate or alignment-type powers available at your hands? You use every tool which could lead to a reasonable conclusion. When I say sense feelings - I mean what I can derive from their posts. People are affected by emotion more than you think (or at least for me >_>) and their personality and/or outlook and motive bleeds into their posts and words more often than not. Even in a controlled environment (ie You taking care to watch your words), the feeling is there that there's something wrong with said person. If you're going to relate me to something I've never encountered (seriously, hippies? I don't even know the context there...Do you mean uncivilized? Unreasonable? Dude, think of the cultural barriers. I'm not an American, nor do we have hippies here.).
Regarding Ford, see how he posted in deference to me, and see my replies to him. He didn't reply afterwards other than a confusing post, and then got timed-out afterwards. The case on the guy was mainly based on his reason for voting me. "Good Reasons." On TolyK, I'm pretty much reading town on him post-D1 due to his activity; getting a better read on him than most and I'm pretty sure about his motive - nothing detected in intuition or logic regarding the guy, hence me not voting him.
3.
1. Weak questions, minimal pressure (up until recently with Ford)
2. No pressure, weak votes, doesn't look like she really believes in who she's voting for
3. General dismissiveness
Oh dear, ZU. Perhaps you never saw that my intention was to scumhunt. There are other ways than being assertive -- making a conversation for one, given the looooong Daytime would be a good start.
Second, it's called sensing the feelings. I do believe who I'm voting in (though it comes mostly off to me as weird than scum...given the wording precluding and proceeding my post there)
Third, if you're talking about TWS then why are you being obstinate about it? How can I not say anything about his case? It is true - the questions didn't happen. What TWS lacks is why they put the person in question scum; while I get where he's coming from (shifting away from my other posts in focus of that one and all - pressure, I'm leaning on), yours seems like "OMG CONCLUSION" right off the bat.
Which means you're stating something from a quick skim. Dismissing everything else I did. Tell me, what is your feel on the ones I've poked on? Does my interaction with them tell you anything?
You mean this? THe bolded portion relates to his case on me being forgetful. He states that he believes I'm lying - I agreed with the principle because in that kind of situation, you can't prove what was being done unless you use third-party software (which is damned illegal and really poking at privacy...) to find out.
You're being obstinate about it in the way that your posts before clarifying the reason
here in that post was vague. Really vague and hard to read. The only thing I could catch there was that it was somehow related to TWS as you just dropped a vote without any reason at all.
4 & 5. Meh really defines your attitude towards me.
I mean, hell. You conclude before doing
anything at all. No conversation,
no questions asked except for my definition of a game, and nothing else beforehand. As a replacement D1, I was pretty much lenient with "ok, he must've skimmed, give him D2 to ask about it" - what did you do for your first posts?
Not helping much.I mean, people were asking you regarding your actions D1. That was you, and not DS. You had the time to make those posts. You didn't answer them then, but pointed to later. Now that many others are focused on the points (or make their presence known), you give that case. More of a concluding rite than a curious-type.
AND THEN YOU POST STUFF REGARDING NULL READS. YOU AREN'T DOING ANYTHING ABOUT THOSE NULL READS YET YOU'RE 'SURE' ABOUT ME?Waste of time.