Except here's the thing: They know full well that they'll be detained in a detention centre for indefinite amounts of time. They know full well it's dangerous and that we hold no responsibility if they drown. And they still come here. And then riot when the things they knew come true. Also, just looked through the UN human rights charter. No violations from the camps.
Do you mean to imply they had a choice? They escape are escaping war zones, this doesn't mean they should just be content with what ever treatment that is handed to them. This isn't about them drowning on the way over, that exists parallel to our treatment of refugees that make the trip. Even if they knew things wouldn't be great, that doesn't mean they can't expect better.
Also
Article 5, on the basis that lack of engaging activity is a type of torture.
An argument could be made for article 9.
Article 10 on the basis that we treat boat people differently from those that arrive by plane, therefor not granting them fair hearing.
Article 13 as we are detaining these people within a camp without criminal charge.
Article four fucking teen.
Article 23 as we provide no employment options to people detained without charge.
An argument could be made for article 25 in regard to necessary social services.
Article 26 big fucking time.
Article 27 as we limit access to these benefits.
Art 5: It ain't. If so, then detention in schools shouldn't be allowed.
Art 10: No, we treat people who have committed a criminal offence, twice, differently.
Art 13: See above.
Art 14: It's escaping from a criminal offence, not asylum. Can you hop into say the Mexican embassy when you commit an offence and avoid criminal charges? Nope.
Art 23: Only temporary.
Art 26: Again, only temporary. By the same token, no suspension should be allowed in schools.
Art 27: Again again, only temporary. Also, they can't talk amongst themselves, Y'know, because that's the community that they are living in?
Kingfisher: 'a majority'
12% in turkey (last I checked, 12% wasn't a majority)
99% in afghanistan
56% in tunisia
Where exactly does Australia come into this? It doesn't mention Australia once in this article.
With regard to the second article, that's a single, small council. Ain't gonna happen.
Both of those articles are far too weak to support your argument.
All those countries have a rising or high Muslim population. Ours is rising slowly, and it
will be one more pronounced with time.
Ah yes, there will be no problems for new immigrants. Nope, no problems faced by any normal Australian at all.
Ah yes, that was after all exactly what I was saying. I never said anythng about "normal" Australians either in my arguments, dont move the goal posts.
So, here's their logic:
If we riot, we will instantly be set free!
Or: If we riot, cause the government millions in damage, better conditions!
Or: If we riot, the Australians will respect us so much!
All you did was list 3 strawmen. Are you sure that is not just your logic projected onto them?
Muslim immigrants will want Shairah law
And the ones who dont (they do exist, believe it or not) get detained anyway because all those Muslims want Shairah law?
on the basis that we treat boat people differently from those that arrive by plane
Australians seem OK with the ones that come by plane for some reason, they must be more civilised
1: Once they settle there, and of course by the regular definition of normal australian, you assume they will have no problems that will unsettle them when they move here. Nothing worth getting excited about. They'll just be incredibly content, and they'll never have to speak up at all ever again. Nope nope nope.
2: Explain to me how I was wrong in how faulty the logic was. Rioting advances no causes of theirs and only caused trouble for the whole system.
3: See above. We've gone over how 2nd generation immigrants is where shit really hits the fan In previous threads.
4: Because they are willing to go through legal channels?
Also, state a better solution than camps with very good living conditions in comparison to their old lives. Please, I'd love to hear it.