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Author Topic: Reudh's Hilarious Australasian politics thread!  (Read 216557 times)

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« Reply #330 on: April 10, 2013, 04:36:36 am »

Yeah. There was an apothecary here that could make a certain very expensive drug himself. Was forced to stop doing that eventually due to harassment by large pharmaceutical companies.

No politician seemed to give a fuck.
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« Reply #331 on: April 10, 2013, 04:48:00 am »

Example? For fear of derailing the topic, let me say that in my opinion Australia has one of the world's best public pharmaceutical access systems, the PBS. The committee does an excellent job of weeding out 'me-too' brand alternatives and drug company patent evergreening compared to overseas, while still ensuring the public can access state-of-the-art health care. They're not perfect but they sure beat some others out there.
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« Reply #332 on: April 10, 2013, 04:49:58 am »

I don't actually live in Australia so I can't help you with that. Maybe it's not as big a problem there as in North America.

Regardless, I'm one who believes in a basic income guarantee (non-means tested) as a way to lower health care costs, not by denying people medical aid, but by helping them not need it in the first place. A lot of medical problems in hospitals are borne out of poverty, so...
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« Reply #333 on: April 10, 2013, 04:52:43 am »

We actually do have a decent pharmaceutical scheme. Not sure how do we next to Canada or parts of Europe, but we are doing better than the US of A.
Still, always room for improvement. I imagine there will be a lot more room after Abbot has his way with us.

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« Reply #334 on: April 10, 2013, 04:57:24 am »

Meh, most preventable health problems are borne out of poor choices.

Doctor: "You're 60 pounds overweight. Loose 60 pounds and your knee/hip/back/feet/toes/whatever will feel a hell of a lot better."
Patient: "Sorry, I've tried, its too hard. You wanna give me weight loss pills? No, then gimme my Norco!"
Doctor: "Your chronic neck pain with a normal MRI is likely functional from poor posture, your stressful computer job, and is compounded by your ongoing and untreated anxiety. Please work on stress reduction following ___ techniques, add therapeutic yoga, bio feed back, see your consellor regularly, take the SSRI that I offered you last time, tell your bozo BF who adds nothing but misery to your life to take a hike/dead-beat kid who steals your money and refuses to leave that you'll call the cops. Then start working with the physical therapist. When thing's aren't going well, go back to them and let them know. "
Patient: "All of that sounds way too tough. And the Norco's not working. What about that "Oxycontin" thing - any good?"
Doctor: "You're 35 years old and your knees are shot. You need to either find another line of work than construction, loose at least half of the excess 80 pounds you're carrying, or see the orthopedist and start talking about your options."
Patient: "Doc, that's not really what I'm into. I'm gettin' by fine with the Percocet. Can't I just keep taking them for a while longer?"
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« Reply #335 on: April 10, 2013, 05:02:40 am »

You don't see how stuff like that could easily be solved by a basic income? Overweight -> Poorer people are overweight because they can only afford cheap stuff. Stressful/physically-harmful job -> If it's a choice between starving and a stressful job, most people will choose the stressful job. Anxiety, that's easy -> bills. And the other stuff is related to a stressful job, if all your energy is going towards work, you have none left over to deal with bozo/dead-beats, or for yoga or other activities that require energy to change the habit.

I also notice that you're stereotyping the patients as lazy and good-for-nothing, when... Well, I mean sure people like that exist, they do everywhere. But they're not a majority, not even close.

What you call "choices", I call "circumstances". There was an experiment in Canada in the 70s called Mincome, a town called Dauphin in Manitoba was given, every citizen, the opportunity to have 60% of then-current poverty level money given to them. Recently a woman has gone through records of Dauphin both before, during, and since Mincome, and found that not only did people -not- quit their jobs and subsist off mincome, but they went to the hospital less, needed less psychological support, education and high-school attendance went up, and mothers spent more time with their newborn babies. All of which, especially the first two, lead to either lower costs to the government directly, or to the possibility of higher taxes to the government in the future (babies who are more developed and can lead better lives, or students who are better educated and can get better jobs).
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« Reply #336 on: April 10, 2013, 05:03:14 am »

Except this is Australia, meaning that you also need to include your parents income until the age of 22 (Is it still 22? I heard rumors of 25) because by that point they are meant to be supporting you... Old enough to vote, own a company, star in pornography and go to jail, but not old enough to be an adult.  ???

Oh good GOD don't get me started on that.

Government aid someone my age who is a uni student should be eligible for:

1: AusStudy  - Apparently I don't qualify for reasons unknown.
2: AbStudy - I'm not part Aboriginal, therefore I don't qualify.
3: Youth Allowance - Because I'm part of a nuclear family unit from an established family, I can claim absolutely jack shit. I currently claim $12/fortnight, or $6/ week.
4: Rent Assistance - I'd be getting ~$83 a week on that, but I can't go on that unless I move out, and to move out I need a job, or to claim decent amounts of YA.
5: Student Startup Scholarship - This is what i'm on. A payment of $1025 twice yearly. That equates to ~$63 a week. Barely enough to pay for textbooks and travel.

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« Reply #337 on: April 10, 2013, 05:04:34 am »

Do you mean to imply strong agreement or disagreement?

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« Reply #338 on: April 10, 2013, 05:09:12 am »

Jimmy, if you're going to reply to my post, read it again, I edited it a little bit.
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« Reply #339 on: April 10, 2013, 05:09:39 am »

Do you mean to imply strong agreement or disagreement?

Agreement.

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« Reply #340 on: April 10, 2013, 05:15:55 am »

Well the alternative is to move out of your parents home... For two years. I think it would be reasonable to include parents income while you still live with them, but the idea that you need to go this stupid amount of time with no support just to prove you don't need any financial aid in order to get aid is absurd.

Actually I'm lucky because I got a job and earned enough cash to declare independents. Yea... Didn't even need it as much as some others I know who were really struggling to pay bills and couldn't get payments.

Our means tests suck.

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« Reply #341 on: April 10, 2013, 05:22:08 am »

Well the alternative is to move out of your parents home... For two years. I think it would be reasonable to include parents income while you still live with them, but the idea that you need to go this stupid amount of time with no support just to prove you don't need any financial aid in order to get aid is absurd.

Actually I'm lucky because I got a job and earned enough cash to declare independents. Yea... Didn't even need it as much as some others I know who were really struggling to pay bills and couldn't get payments.

Our means tests suck.

I can't get a job. I'm 21. I'm qualified in several areas. I am technically employed but have not received a shift I could possibly get to in well over seven months.

Uni students in Victoria are supposedly 41% unemployed, compared with the 5.9% of everyone in Aus.

I am qualified in the following areas:

Several months experience as a Barista. I hold a qualification in making coffees too. Apparently that's not enough experience to warrant me working at friggin' coffee chains.
Senior First Aid Level II. I can SAVE PEOPLE FROM DYING if they have a heart attack.
Anaphylaxis treatment. I can SAVE PEOPLE FROM DYING if they have anaphylactic shock.
Working with children check. I am legally allowed to work around children.

I am apparently unemployable, but 65 IQ fifteen year olds who ignore you while you ASK THEM FOR HELP inside stores are extremely employable. It shits me to tears. If the minimum wage was raised for younger workers, then I'd stand a better chance because I'm more qualified!

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« Reply #342 on: April 10, 2013, 05:22:12 am »

One of the problems with means tests is that kind of logic is insidious. "We don't want to subsidize people who don't need it! (That need being something we define!)" So you get stupid things like needing to be independant for two years to get financial aid, when it's when you -aren't- independant and are on the cusp of aging out that you NEED the aid. "But they'll just get money from their parents and live off the gub'ments teat!" No. No they won't. 1) Welfare as it is, is stigmatized. You sometimes get people who -actually need it- ignoring it, because they think it means they're weak. Why would the average someone who doesn't need it go after it? 2) Someone who's being supported by their parents is not likely to think about going on welfare, too.
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« Reply #343 on: April 10, 2013, 05:25:24 am »

Eh, I got very lucky and got a job at Subway when I needed it.
Good hours, and possibly the best fringe benefits you will ever see for an unskilled job. Free sandwiches all you can eat is the greatest thing any company ever did ever.

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« Reply #344 on: April 10, 2013, 05:30:13 am »

Eh, I got very lucky and got a job at Subway when I needed it.
Good hours, and possibly the best fringe benefits you will ever see for an unskilled job. Free sandwiches all you can eat is the greatest thing any company ever did ever.

Yes, and I've tried so hard to get a job there, even going so far as to say I was prepared to work on the OTHER SIDE OF THE CITY IN THE WORST SUBURB IN MELBOURNE OVERNIGHT if I could just have a job.
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