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[sneakey pete]

Thought i'd posted this last night but maybe the connection fails;

House prices need to be a slow contraction not a sharp drop. That happens all hell breaks loose, you won't be able to take advantage because you'll be out of a job 

Housing is interesting though. People are paying off loans a lot faster now (recall something last year saying over 3/4 personal home loans are paid in advance as it is) and young people saving up for a deposit also must have a pretty significant chunk of cash sitting around (I know I do, plus several people of my age group at work) which must mean some interesting things for the economy. Hopefully it means we start buying in as people are forced to cash out due to shrinking house prices or something

[JasmineJas]

This could, potentially, be one of the big problems with the parliamentary system. Correct me if I'm wrong here, but you vote for your local ministers, and then the leader of what ever party has the most seats (and can create a unity government) becomes Head of Government. In this way, you vote for you who think best represents you locally, even if you don't like the leader of that party, or you vote for the party who's leader you do like. You don't actually vote for your Head of Government, unlike in the US where the Legislature and the Executive are kept separate. Of course, the Parliamentary system can be more flexible than the US system.

[wobbly]

Generally people are voting based on the party or leader of the party and usally don't have a clue who the local mp who they actually cast there vote for is and the pm can actually change without a revote. Which sounds worse than it actually is. The prime minister still has only 1 vote in the house of Representatives

[Edmus]

Given the propensity for democracies to favour leaders of the more authoritarian variety lately; I am quite in favour of our government style.
Everyone's predictions on Pauline Hanson?
I'd be surprised if she didn't win a seat or two. 

[Reelya]

Pauline won't win any seats. Authoritarian leaders have been because of the economic chaos. Australia missed most of that. We're not in the market for a Hitler, because everyone here is pretty much plenty comfortable, compared to everywhere else.

On top of that, Pauline Hanson is someone who has also poisoned her own well. Nobody takes her seriously outside of her home area in Queensland (think: Australia's Alabama), and even up there her people no longer win anything in local elections. She has zero chance of picking up federal seats. We have a number of much more promising independents and small parties on both sides of politics, so there's no 2-party stranglehold for Pauline Hanson to rise up ans challenge.

[Edmus]

That's a good point actually. Who do you think will be the rallying point for the far right instead?

 I'm just hopeful that were we put into such a situation of economic and social unrest that we would be more resistant. Abbott wasn't half so bad as Trump and his party knifed him after getting in on the platform of not knifing your leader.
It's not ideal, sure, but like compulsory voting it makes for a bit more resilient of a government.

[Reelya]

This is also the reason I heavily oppose stripping felons of the right to vote (as is done in Australia when you're in prison for a long sentence), but especially for life, as is done in the USA. It's too easy to exploit that to disenfranchise people.

The Howard government, of which Abbott was a minister made attempts to eliminate voting rights for all inmates, but they were quashed by the high court. Thank god.  The last thing we should ever want is that it's possible to gain political advantage merely by rounding up people you don't like. That way lies our doom.

Considering that 1% of the U.S. adult population is in prison at any time, the amount of legal disenfranchisement in the USA is at scales large enough to tip elections. Especially considering that American black people almost always vote Democrat, arresting so many black people is almost like free votes for Republicans. This occured in Florida in 2000 under Jeb Bush. Thousands of black Floridans with similar names to known felons from other states were struck off the voting rolls just before the election. They got the names wrong, but it only ever seemed to affect black people for "some reason". So as well as conjecture that they arrest black people for this reason, they also "scrub voter rolls" of black names (who weren't even felons), on the pretext of "removing felons" from the lists.

[Sonlirain]

America has a long history of stripping people of their right to vote.
Especially black people.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRU5Zj5QelE

[Emma]

It might have already been mentioned but the Australian satire group The Chaser, is doing a four (?) episode long TV show on the election. It's aired on Wednesday nights at 9:00PM on ABC, the first episode came out last week and is pretty good.

[MarcAFK]

Jesus, that was horrible. I notice the property rights alliance channel has the same video in a bunch of different languages, do ya recon the Chinese version sounds just as fucked up to a native of that language?

[Sheb]

Jesus, that was horrible. I notice the property rights alliance channel has the same video in a bunch of different languages, do ya recon the Chinese version sounds just as fucked up to a native of that language?

Sadly, the French one is just the English version with french subtitles. Hilariously, YouTube's suggestion for the next video is "The five most commons logicial fallacies".

[Jimmy]

Logic and politics have always had a tenuous relationship at best.

[sneakey pete]

Looks like not only Paunile hanson but also others from her party may win senate seats here in Queensland.
I'm truly sorry Australia, but we seem to have fucked up

[Edmus]

Pauline won't win any seats. Authoritarian leaders have been because of the economic chaos. Australia missed most of that. We're not in the market for a Hitler, because everyone here is pretty much plenty comfortable, compared to everywhere else.

On top of that, Pauline Hanson is someone who has also poisoned her own well. Nobody takes her seriously outside of her home area in Queensland (think: Australia's Alabama), and even up there her people no longer win anything in local elections. She has zero chance of picking up federal seats. We have a number of much more promising independents and small parties on both sides of politics, so there's no 2-party stranglehold for Pauline Hanson to rise up ans challenge.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/federal-election-2016/results/senate/

One Nation polling comparable results to the Greens at 12:17AM Sunday for the senate in nsw, & qld.

Now looking to get two senate spots, potentially three.
I nearly said I'd bet you a fiver. 

[sneakey pete]

to be fair by the two party comments at the end maybe he was talking about the lower house?