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[lordnincompoop]

Extend. Hapah. Claim, now.

So I read what Toaster said about the delay. If you had actioned a kill on N3, it should have shown up N4 - that is, last night. It didn't, which means that mafia didn't action a kill or there's a lying roleblocker.

I delayed you last night. That didn't redelay the N3 kill, but your self-redirect claim is bullshit because I won that draw. I can't stress this enough. That means that I should be misdirected if you really did do what you said (doubtful, since the N4 PM should have specified the delay), and that's testable. I still got a redirect last night, and nobody claimed that, but it can't be Toony and it's not Okami unless he is one lucky SOB and just guessed that follow action. Whatever else you did should show up N5, whether it is a kill or something else.

This is MYLO. Although my first thought was that we could No Lynch again if we had no really strong leads, that wouldn't work in a case where Toony decided to kill but got delayed, he kills twice tomorrow and it's game over.

[lordnincompoop]

EDIT: Third paragraph beginning with "I delayed you" refers to Toony, but really it's directed pretty generally.

[Hapah]

Extend

In fact, it's kind of suspicious that you didn't pipe up with that claim in the first place.  Why not?

Because I didn't think it would matter with my Misdirection claim on top of it (remember, I never mentioned my Enchanted Weapon yesterday until you talked about, mainly because we still aren't in that mass-claim stage and there's no reason to let the mafia have all the info right now).  I asked Toaster earlier about what would happen if the two are overlapped and he said only the ones that actually ended up targeting me would be counted in such a case.

You don't think the ability to confirm what ability hit you would be useful to the rest of us? There should be absolutely zero guesswork about if you were delayed or not, the SoK would have told you. What action hit you?

Spoiler: OOC @ LNCP (click to show/hide)

This is why I don't really like BYORs, KOTM and Roguelikes. You get bogged up in technicals, and in web's KOTM I think everyone just ended up making breaking strategies every round.

It is a different sort of game, to be sure. It's a little less reading people and a little more logic puzzle, which some people like and some don't. It appeals to me; I like trying to pick apart the differing claims and finding inconsistencies (God knows how much I bugged you in MKM, lol).

Spoiler: LNCP (click to show/hide)

Extend. Hapah. Claim, now.

God forbid I wait to claim until Toony came out with his Scroll of Knowledge results (I was actually a little surprised you and Okami put your cards on the table so fast). I used a Scroll of Treasure on you, LNCP. I didn't feel too bad about delaying the claim because it should be easily confirmable.

So I read what Toaster said about the delay. If you had actioned a kill on N3, it should have shown up N4 - that is, last night. It didn't, which means that mafia didn't action a kill or there's a lying roleblocker.

Assuming that "Mafia" near the end should be Toony, then yeah, that's about right. I see no reason why a blocker wouldn't have put a successful block on the table at that point, as well.

I delayed you last night. That didn't redelay the N3 kill, but your self-redirect claim is bullshit because I won that draw. I can't stress this enough.

It's true that your claims can't easily be reconciled, but I've no way to tell who is the liar, do I? Paints Okami in a reasonably good light, though.

I still got a redirect last night, and nobody claimed that, but it can't be Toony and it's not Okami unless he is one lucky SOB and just guessed that follow action.

It wouldn't be a hard guess if Okami was the one who redirected you, would it? And it certainly wasn't me.

This is MYLO. Although my first thought was that we could No Lynch again if we had no really strong leads, that wouldn't work in a case where Toony decided to kill but got delayed, he kills twice tomorrow and it's game over.

And the same argument could have been made yesterday, but it turned out alright. For what it's worth, I'd rather just roll the dice with a lynch and be done with it. NoLynch might be the optimal play, but I'm not certain that it is an entertaining one.

[ToonyMan]

I think it's the combination of SoK and SoM that's really fucking me up.  I asked Toaster again to be sure and he confirmed someone definitely hit me with a delay and that's it (I wish I could quote this PM ), but I'm having trouble understanding that because that doesn't make any sense according to the priority list.

I have another final in 15 minutes and two more tomorrow though so aaaaah Extend.  I was gonna vote tomorrow after digesting all this.

[lordnincompoop]

Mod, please explain the x of Treasure. If used, when will the target receive the item, and what flavour description would come out?

[ToonyMan]

PFP

Did you get an item from Hapah last night LNCP?

[Toaster]

Vote Count:

Hapah: lordnincompoop
Okami No Rei:
lordnincompoop: Okami No Rei
ToonyMan: 

No Lynch:

Not Voting: Hapah, ToonyMan


Day has been Extended.  Day 5 will last until Friday, 5/10 at 11 PM EST.

Mod, please explain the x of Treasure. If used, when will the target receive the item, and what flavour description would come out?

At the end of the night, in their night result PM.  Flavor would be an item popping into existence in front of them inexplicably.

From Roguelike 1:

You find shelter and prepare to rest until morning, when a loud *KA-CHING* surprises you!  A Scroll of Enchant Armor appears out of nowhere and falls to your feet.  You’re not sure where it came from, but you appreciate it!

[lordnincompoop]

Mod: Does the target receive the item the same night the scroll was used, or the subsequent night, or any other night?

[Toaster]

Mod: Does the target receive the item the same night the scroll was used, or the subsequent night, or any other night?

Same night.

[Okami No Rei]

So, did you receive an item or not?

[lordnincompoop]

I did. N4, so I can confirm Hapah's action.

Mod, does the user of a redirect or misdirect effect item know which player the action was redirected to?

[Toaster]

I did. N4, so I can confirm Hapah's action.

Mod, does the user of a redirect or misdirect effect item know which player the action was redirected to?

No.

[Okami No Rei]

Well, somebody's lying here.  LNCP claims using a delay on Toony, which should have delayed his Misdirect.  How about this:

Toony - You used a Scroll of Misdirection last night, which was delayed to tonight.  You're lying about the Scroll of Knowledge.  LNCP delayed you again tonight, but got redirected back to you.  You delayed claiming results from the Scroll of Knowledge because you don't actually have any, and you made a lucky guess that Hapah didn't target you.

[Okami No Rei]

EBWOP
s/last night/N3
s/tonight/N4

[lordnincompoop]

Unvote. This game is making less and less sense, and it's getting on my nerves. I'm also getting a very strong sense that my line of thought is flawed.

I need to think this through first.


Okami: What did you use N4 to get your read? How come you have so many more items, and powerful ones at that, compared to the other players here?