Well... damn. That's an excellent point. I'll need to reread to confirm, but for now Zrk2.
Tiruin and zombieurist, your reads on everyone please.
Honestly, I can't give an exact read on anyone as most of these (specifically those who posted recently/after I posted because they were just read up) are subject to change.
1. The Soldier - town-ish, hadn't had a chance to ask him personally, but his reasoning and intentions seem sincere and valid in their reasoning.
2. notquitethere - same as Soldier. I'm quite used to how a Logician posts now, and his analytical senses this period in time have been so far agreeable in the sense that they're not attempting to undermine a person, but go along the lines of sensible communication.
3. Vector - null, heading...still null. Recent post on Zrk is up for questioning, recent-er posts before that lean town.
What made you vote Zrk?4. Captain Ford - Town-ish. His reasoning, I see, is sincere. In that he's giving the benefit of the doubt to those which the majority suspects and his logic is agreeable.
5. Hapah - Town-ish. While his posts are lesser than most, they are detailed to the point and reek of intentions detailing open communication. Nothing I see in there which speaks of any ulterior motives.
6. Okami No Rei - null leaning scum; his intentions seem valid in reasoning, but how he posts them give ample space for thought. That one post wherein he voted for Zrk seems suspicious in the way that he states "if townflip, question Leaf" when he could be doing it currently. This also contradicts his read on Zrk earlier, being a one liner.
7. Deathsword - Null. Didn't do much reading on him, tbh.
8. Zrk2 - Null. While LS' argument is agreeable, he's still undergoing questioning. Its annoying me to get the feeling that Zrk has given up defending himself/scumhunting with a "If you honestly feel I am scum then vote for me, fine." though, but this still points towards null for me.
9. Leafsnail - Null. Truly, I'm quite unsure about him - he did state quite a compelling argument regarding Zrk but its missing some minor details; minor in a way that he isn't addressing these details. Town or scum can do that (argument), but I'm quite curious of why he didn't engage in questioning beforehand (while Time is an excuse, I'm poking at his post right there), or at least leaving Zrk with any questions to bite on. His use of 'psychological' statements worry me in the way that its replacing any kind of reasoning with an implied generality - something which irks me on the side of scum in
how he states them. Mainly because he's not taking matters into his own hands (ie asking/communicating with target) but trying to get everyone else to lynch him.
10. Imperial Guardsman - Null.
11. Tiruin - Is me, I'm town.
12. alamoes - Null. Pulling lots of tells - indistinguishable from newbie/scum/town.
13. Freshman/zombie urist - currently receiving the flak the former has taken. While Freshman was...completely hard to read given his posts, he's reading null here.
Though I'm curious, why me of all people?
Imperial GuardImperial: I can see you got my point. Unvote. Now tell me, if you were scum, which of the other players would you want on your team?
People like tiruin, vector, freshman, etc
Y me?
3. because you are one of the most experienced people in the game
Oh really now, explain how this would be reasonable at all.
also, freshman might have quit because he was scum, i think he realized his impending doom, quit, and let zombieurist fill his role so the heat would come off of him!
...And do you have any conclusive evidence which tells you he's scum?
FordZrk2: I believe you're wrong. If Alamoes was scum, he'd have teammates coaching him. He doesn't look coached. Freshman is (was) far more likely to be scum because of his relative silence. There are things missing from his posts that I would expect to see, and I feel like I'm only hearing part of the conversation.
Personally, I find a lot of noobtells and towntells in his posts. I've not seen a single thing that makes him scummy in my book.
I disagree with this. Towntells, scumtells, noobtells. People can mess up anywhichway possible. While, yes, he may have teammates coaching him - said teammates wouldn't probably be there to post @QT or personally steer his course right for him.
While I do agree with his noobtell (of....voting himself.) His reasoning seems flawed in the sense of how he spends his vote.
What marks him scummy in your book btw?
Tiruin & Ford: Does the teal text have a meaning? Skimming, I figured it was a link to a post, but I guess not...
Tis' me guessing he's substituting blue...which, technically indicates his suspicion. Though, Teal is an informal color 
@ZU: Same question to you. Let's say you've a protect - under what circumstances are you going to pick your target, and why?
Meh. I was waffling on whether or not to vote you, and messed around with the colors because I was bored. Ultimately I decided not to vote you and left it as teal just to see what happened.
I expected to be questioned about it, and I thought I'd answer "I have no idea how that happened" because I'm silly like that.
I like the reactions it actually got a lot better.
Also, Teal was the only color I figured could be seen well on both themes available for this forum.
Silly Ford is silly.
Leafsnail: You're prepared to out Zrk2 without asking him anything - leading only to a declarative post? Was that a definitive vote, or a pressure vote - and when did your suspicions rise on him?
While what you said is very agreeable, you don't seem to poke him on any of those which you've stated, but come up with a conclusion instead. I'm acting under the impression that people do mistakes, and while people commit mistakes - their intentions can me remarked on due to their personality.
Though...Zrk did comment on your post. And did nothing else but give
a nearly blank statement. Even if he did such, you really do believe enough on Zrk2 to try
attempt to convince Okami on him? Followed by a justified push on what constitutes a bandwagon and the analogy behind it, Okami wasn't even bandwagoning anyone as Vector had no votes beforehand. Who were you talking about when you said
As for your vote, I'm going to go ahead and say it's stupid and that Bay 12's entire attitude to bandwagoning is kindof silly[...]
Because the semantics point to Okami.
And lastly, why are you pointing to a psychological basis other than poking at your target with direct questions? What you said in relation with the bandwagon seems more of a justification without any kind of foundation - nobody remarked on a bandwagon that would compromise your post at all. Its agreeable, yeah, and can seemingly convince in itself, but
why did you even state those ideas?[...]At the moment we're in a situation where if someone makes a convincing case against another person you cannot say "yes, I agree with that case" and vote for the person because of our "you can never join a wagon without being scum" policy. This means that days end with a few votes sprinkled onto random people (allowing scum to easily manipulate the lynch) rather than decisive votes against people who have been shown to look scummy.
Like this, for example. How in the world does this make sense, and why are you remarking on it? There is no policy, only an intangible line of thought that implies fear due to lack of reasoning - something which is easily cleared up later on. How does scum easily manipulate the lynch in this scenario?
Zrk2:
What do you think of LS' post regarding yourself; of LS' temperament regarding you, and of your target as scum. Since you've stated that you're pressure voting,
who are your reads, and what was your intention of that pressure vote?You haven't been poking on many others, I see. Why is that?
Zrk2 has a real talent for getting mislynched. I've read a couple of his previous games and if anything, he seems like a better townie than in any of his older town games. I think he's just not very good at this.
I am admittedly quite poor at this, but that is of course no excuse. If you honestly feel I am scum then vote for me, fine. That said, this seems a little bandwagony.
How is Ford's post there even a bandwagon. If not, then how is 'this' even a "little" bandwagon.
If you honestly feel I am scum then vote for me, fine.
And then this. Why are you saying this? Do you have honestly have nothing else to give but this statement?
Explain, please.
Okami[...]
Vector -[...]
B: You voted Zrk2 at the drop of a hat. A little eager to lynch, are we?
Second, why is B a compelling enough argument that you voted her when she said "for now"?
Imperial Guardsmen - Have you been taking lessons from Org? I hope you realize that laconic posts tend to get people lynched early around here.
And here, what is the reasoning behind laconic posts - is it in the intention of the poster, or how others view it?
As for your vote, I'm going to go ahead and say it's stupid and that Bay 12's entire attitude to bandwagoning is kindof silly. At the moment we're in a situation where if someone makes a convincing case against another person you cannot say "yes, I agree with that case" and vote for the person because of our "you can never join a wagon without being scum" policy. This means that days end with a few votes sprinkled onto random people (allowing scum to easily manipulate the lynch) rather than decisive votes against people who have been shown to look scummy.
This is an excellent summary of the current B12 meta on bandwagons. May I quote you on this in other games?
Lastly. What.
How is this an excellent summary of the generalized playerbase? People can tout the term of bandwagon on any person being voted by the majority for various reasons, and the only focus you give is on the weakest reason ever?
The "You can never join a wagon without being scum" is fallible. Insomuch as saying that you agree point blank without saying anything else is fallible. People have different tactics - scum want to appear town by poking at what is suspicious for them, and usually this works if the suspects have major quirks in their reasoning. Quirks enough, that they seem scum.
Zrk2, for me, has a distinct playstyle which is more confusing than playing, and judging by his posts (and mostly other posts in other boards), its how he plays.
You vote Zrk because...
If you honestly feel I am scum then vote for me, fine.
Okay. Zrk2
He hasn't been particularly productive, Leaf, so the points you cited do have merit. If he ends up flipping town, I hope you don't mind if I push you hard on the morrow.
That?
Explain how LS' post convinced you, and if that's the only determining factor which made you vote. Who else do you suspect, and why?
Also,
here, you state the reasons behind how scummy you find Zrk, then vote him on what I quoted above.
Aiming for the easylynch there? How is Ford giving his opinion scummy, or at least a candidate for a scumbuddy? While, obviously the reasoning is damned if Zrk pops out scum, I'm under the impression that you're voting him just to see him lynched - why?
Cheers for curiosity.
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