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[Sergarr]

What the fuck

According to sensitive information available to this
these individuals, Qaddafi's government holds 143 tons of gold, and a similar amount in silver. During late March, 2011
these stocks were moved to SABHA (south west in the direction of the Libyan border with Niger and Chad); taken from
the vaults of the Libyan Central Bank in Tripoli.
This gold was accumulated prior to the current rebellion and was intended to be used to establish a pan-African currency
based on the Libyan golden Dinar. This plan was designed to provide the Francophone African Countries with an
alternative to the French.franc (CFA).
(Source Comment: According to knowledgeable individuals this quantity of gold and silver is valued at more than $7
billion. French intelligence officers discovered this plan shortly after the current rebellion began, and this was one of the
factors that influenced President Nicolas Sarkozy's decision to commit France to the attack on Libya. According to these
individuals Sarkozy's plans are driven by the following issues:
a. A desire to gain a greater share of Libya oil production,
b. Increase French influence in North Africa,
c. Improve his internal political situation in France,
d. Provide the French military with an opportunity to reassert its position in the world,
e. Address the concern of his advisors over Qaddafi's long term plans to supplant France as the dominant power in
Francophone Africa)

This is from official government page of USA, so it's as far from fake as it could possibly be.

Notice that there isn't any word mentioned on stuff like "democracy, human rights, responsibility to protect" and other crap that was given to the public to justify Libya conflict. Not even as a tertiary reason.

No, it was all because of fucking gold, oil, and need to reassert military hegemony!

[martinuzz]

Sadly, unsurprising. Isn't it always?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXd155v8Z5U

[Flying Dice]

Uh. Wow. I'm going to need time to process instead of kneejerk reacting.

It's a statute of Mao, not Lenin. Come on now.

So it's marching towards the RoC, then?

[WealthyRadish]

The validity of it hinges on who these "knowledgeable individuals" are, but I'd be surprised if there's anyone alive who can still be duped by the "spreading democracy and freedom" shtick. A few of these look far-fetched enough that they could probably be dismissed, but I doubt they're all false.

I'm curious what the motivation for releasing (or neglecting to classify) this is, unless a waiting period for these memos has expired and their release is mandatory.

[Wolfhunter107]

The French have had a vendetta against Ghafidi for a long, long time. The fact that they took the first opportunity to get rid of him once and for all is hardly surprising.

[Shadowlord]

With the recent destruction of the Calm And Progressive Discussion Thread, I'd like to take this moment to remind everyone that while the DPRK Thread's topic is wide and encourages frivolity, to not actually get the best thread to have ever on Bay 12 locked.

Considering Progresive Thread was lost to this exact topic, handle with care, or preferably not at all.

I noticed that was suddenly locked, but I've never read it myself.

This is from official government page of USA, so it's as far from fake as it could possibly be.

Notice that there isn't any word mentioned on stuff like "democracy, human rights, responsibility to protect" and other crap that was given to the public to justify Libya conflict. Not even as a tertiary reason.

No, it was all because of fucking gold, oil, and need to reassert military hegemony!

... You're jumping to conclusions.

That's an email. It's from "Sid" (Sidney Blumenthal) to "Hillary." He basically says "Well, we sanctioned Gaddafi, but he can still pay his troops because he has lots of SILVER AND GOLD. SILVER AND GOLD." And then he gives what he thinks are reasons Sarkozy might have decided to get involved.

His opinions aren't the opinions of the government. He wasn't even any kind of intelligence officer.

Let's see what Wikipedia says about him:

Blumenthal, a longtime confidant of Bill and Hillary Clinton, earned about $10,000 a month as a full-time employee of the Clinton Foundation. During the 2011 uprising in Libya against Muammar Gaddafi, Blumenthal prepared, from public and other sources, about 25 memos which he sent as emails to Clinton in 2011 and 2012, which she shared through her aide, Jake Sullivan, with senior State Department personnel. In the form of intelligence briefings, the memos sometimes touted his business associates and, at times contained inaccurate information.[19][20]

The wikipedia article also cites the New York Post, but I can't even imagine why a tabloid would be a worthy source of information for a wikipedia page, even prefaced with "The tabloid New York Post asserted that..." Whoever added that neglected to link the citation to the article either, even though it is online.

[scriver]

We know (as in from what we saw we have strong reason to suggest) it was about oil, though. No euregime gave more than a strongly worded letter's worth of damn about the civil war (very likely in large due to how Khadaffi had backstabbed basically the whole world at one point or another and was certainly not on friendly terms with anyone), until the revolutionaries started conquering the pipelines (or at least putting the pipelines on the frontline) and Khaddaffi started threatening blowing them up, and taking the oil infrastructure down with himself should he fall, that discussions about intervention became serious. Iirc, France was one of the main proponents of this, and I don't think it's a coincidence that they also had the most at stake oil-wise.

This is based entirely on my media intake during and after the whole thing, so I admit it is flawed and definitely subjective.

[Shadowlord]

My measures intake have me the impression that we in the yes fiddled until Gaddafi was about to murder everyone in Benghazi, and then it was a choice between "help Europe help the rebels" our "let Gaddafi kill so many civilians, while we'll take the blame."

... DAN YOU PHONE.

[Loud Whispers]

Everything is USA fault, always blame USA, god dammit USA why did you kill the Romans

[TheDarkStar]

usa causes world hunger, both world wars, poverty, and communism. and the spanish inquisition and the crusades and the dark ages. and killed off several native american civilizations

use is love, usa is life.

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More seriously, didn't we (the US) put Gaddaffi in power in the first place? Or am I thinking of someone else?

[scriver]

Nah, Khadaffi began as a revolutionary himself, clad in communist colours iirc.

[miljan]

What the fuck

According to sensitive information available to this
these individuals, Qaddafi's government holds 143 tons of gold, and a similar amount in silver. During late March, 2011
these stocks were moved to SABHA (south west in the direction of the Libyan border with Niger and Chad); taken from
the vaults of the Libyan Central Bank in Tripoli.
This gold was accumulated prior to the current rebellion and was intended to be used to establish a pan-African currency
based on the Libyan golden Dinar. This plan was designed to provide the Francophone African Countries with an
alternative to the French.franc (CFA).
(Source Comment: According to knowledgeable individuals this quantity of gold and silver is valued at more than $7
billion. French intelligence officers discovered this plan shortly after the current rebellion began, and this was one of the
factors that influenced President Nicolas Sarkozy's decision to commit France to the attack on Libya. According to these
individuals Sarkozy's plans are driven by the following issues:
a. A desire to gain a greater share of Libya oil production,
b. Increase French influence in North Africa,
c. Improve his internal political situation in France,
d. Provide the French military with an opportunity to reassert its position in the world,
e. Address the concern of his advisors over Qaddafi's long term plans to supplant France as the dominant power in
Francophone Africa)

This is from official government page of USA, so it's as far from fake as it could possibly be.

Notice that there isn't any word mentioned on stuff like "democracy, human rights, responsibility to protect" and other crap that was given to the public to justify Libya conflict. Not even as a tertiary reason.

No, it was all because of fucking gold, oil, and need to reassert military hegemony!

Watch this old interview with USA general more than 10 years ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mXsoYrXaMQ

Good that their plans are not going as fast as they wanted, but they are unfortunately still successful in one way or another

[Loud Whispers]

Nah, Khadaffi began as a revolutionary himself, clad in communist colours iirc.

Islamic socialism, Arab pan-nationalism and when he couldn't get the Arab world united switched to African pan-nationalism

[smjjames]

Nah, Khadaffi began as a revolutionary himself, clad in communist colours iirc.

Islamic socialism, Arab pan-nationalism and when he couldn't get the Arab world united switched to African pan-nationalism

And an all around crazy nut.

I remember when people were rumorizing that Ghaddafi had fled to Columbia or Venezuela or something and then Ghaddaffi went on air and basically said 'Yo! I'm still here and ain't going nowhere!'.

[Loud Whispers]

I love that hilarious bit where he was sitting in the Arab council and going on about how the US was going to kill them all one by one, just like Saddam, and being a US ally didn't mean shit
Of course he was the next one to die but the best part was Assad laughing at him