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[MetalSlimeHunt]

This is assuming China would even support NK. I wouldn't. If I were ruling China, I would see this as far better opportunity to clean up China's image and have influence in Unified Korea. This isn't the Cold War. There isn't as much to be gained from supporting terrible nations just because another power opposes them.

[Owlbread]

This is assuming China would even support NK. I wouldn't. If I were ruling China, I would see this as far better opportunity to clean up China's image and have influence in Unified Korea. This isn't the Cold War. There isn't as much to be gained from supporting terrible nations just because another power opposes them.

We're going on the assumption that the Chinese would install a puppet military government in the North, but surely that is unsustainable. Unification of some kind is inevitable.

[Lagslayer]

This isn't the Cold War.

The Cold War never ended. It just moved more underground. NK is 100% Cold War politics.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

This isn't the Cold War.

The Cold War never ended. It just moved more underground. NK is 100% Cold War politics.

NK is a relic. China is going to choose the US over NK every time, which is the opposite of what would have happened in the Cold War. Trade is what is important now, and NK (almost) doesn't trade at all, the true cardinal sin of a modern nation.

[Skyrunner]

So... what's up in NK nowadays?

[Lagslayer]

So... what's up in NK nowadays?

Same as it's been doing for the past 40 some odd years.

This isn't the Cold War.

The Cold War never ended. It just moved more underground. NK is 100% Cold War politics.

NK is a relic. China is going to choose the US over NK every time, which is the opposite of what would have happened in the Cold War. Trade is what is important now, and NK (almost) doesn't trade at all, the true cardinal sin of a modern nation.

All the players from when the cold war "ended" are still doing the same thing. USSR leadership was never overthrown. China is doing the same old things it was doing before. North Korea never changed it's "function". The Middle East is still lashing out at everyone. Russia and China are still funding the same people, and so is the West. All the old battle lines are still in place.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Actually not the same, if our recent documentary is anything to go off of. I look forward to the day I get to watch all the Kims statues torn down, whenever it happens.

[Another]

So... what's up in NK nowadays?

Same as it's been doing for the past 40 some odd years.

This isn't the Cold War.

The Cold War never ended. It just moved more underground. NK is 100% Cold War politics.

NK is a relic. China is going to choose the US over NK every time, which is the opposite of what would have happened in the Cold War. Trade is what is important now, and NK (almost) doesn't trade at all, the true cardinal sin of a modern nation.

All the players from when the cold war "ended" are still doing the same thing. USSR leadership was never overthrown. China is doing the same old things it was doing before. North Korea never changed it's "function". The Middle East is still lashing out at everyone. Russia and China are still funding the same people, and so is the West. All the old battle lines are still in place.

USSR leadership was actually overthrown twice. First Yeltsin overtook top leadership from Gorbachev in 1991 (there were some internal shootings by a third group along the way) and formalized dissolution of USSR. Then in 1993 Russian parliament which was mostly communist/socialist at the time went into hot (with more shootings) power struggle with Yeltsin (both Yeltsin and parliament did some very unconstitutional things) and totally lost (some deputies were imprisoned) in the end.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

USSR leadership was actually overthrown twice. First Yeltsin overtook top leadership from Gorbachev in 1991 (there were some internal shootings by a third group along the way) and formalized dissolution of USSR. Then in 1993 Russian parliament which was mostly communist/socialist at the time went into hot (with more shootings) power struggle with Yeltsin (both Yeltsin and parliament did some very unconstitutional things) and totally lost (some deputies were imprisoned) in the end.

It's true, but not exactly. Truth is that one group of Communists took power from another group of Communists. All current top Russian politicians are either former members  of the Party or their children. Nothing close to revolution ever happened. Internal power struggle and nothing more.

I hope that North Korea will go real revolution route and we'll see some active executions of criminals that control the country now

[Another]

USSR leadership was actually overthrown twice. First Yeltsin overtook top leadership from Gorbachev in 1991 (there were some internal shootings by a third group along the way) and formalized dissolution of USSR. Then in 1993 Russian parliament which was mostly communist/socialist at the time went into hot (with more shootings) power struggle with Yeltsin (both Yeltsin and parliament did some very unconstitutional things) and totally lost (some deputies were imprisoned) in the end.

It's true, but not exactly. Truth is that one group of Communists took power from another group of Communists. All current top Russian politicians are either former members  of the Party or their children. Nothing close to revolution ever happened. Internal power struggle and nothing more.

I hope that North Korea will go real revolution route and we'll see some active executions of criminals that control the country now

Thank you for this valuable addition that I contemplated including myself. The rhetoric and official ideology changed* vastly but mostly not the people at the top themselves. When the only party around was Communists all the politicians were pretending to be communists. As is in any party at the top of it - only a minority is in it for ideological reasons.

One not great but not the worst scenario that has some possibility of realizing in NK is Chinese style half-way reforms. That is definitely not possible with the Kim alive, but a military junta could potentially slowly steer NK into mostly capitalistic, mostly working (can't happen without healthy international trade and they would have to make concessions to ease trade sanctions) economy while maintaining ideological iron grip (aka concentration camps for dissidents). The positive moment here is that it would still ease eventual reunification with the South.

*That verbal change from the retarded Lenin's Way™ in my opinion led to big real positive shifts. And people who brought with them these changes, however crooked politicians they were, won because they had strong popular support.

[FearfulJesuit]

Dear Leader's impeccable style could be coming soon to a capitalist oppressor near you.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

That's so stupid, I won't even change the thread title for it.

[misko27]

That's so stupid, I won't even change the thread title for it.

That sounds like a challenge.

Another American Citizen was arrested in North Korea, A Korean War vet interestingly. North Korean news has not mentioned this.

[Lagslayer]

That's so stupid, I won't even change the thread title for it.

That sounds like a challenge.


Another American Citizen was arrested in North Korea, A Korean War vet interestingly. North Korean news has not mentioned this.

Why do people keep going to these dangerous places? Certainly they must know it just paints a huge target on their backs saying "imprison/kill/hold me hostage!". Or maybe I'm being too optimistic.

[Guardian G.I.]

That's so stupid, I won't even change the thread title for it.

That sounds like a challenge.


Another American Citizen was arrested in North Korea, A Korean War vet interestingly. North Korean news has not mentioned this.

Why do people keep going to these dangerous places? Certainly they must know it just paints a huge target on their backs saying "imprison/kill/hold me hostage!". Or maybe I'm being too optimistic.

Did he try to illegally cross the border? If he did, he was practically asking for being arrested by North Korean state security forces for being a possible spy/saboteur/enemy propagandist/whatever.

This is assuming China would even support NK. I wouldn't. If I were ruling China, I would see this as far better opportunity to clean up China's image and have influence in Unified Korea. This isn't the Cold War. There isn't as much to be gained from supporting terrible nations just because another power opposes them.

We're going on the assumption that the Chinese would install a puppet military government in the North, but surely that is unsustainable. Unification of some kind is inevitable.

The sheer cost of trying to develop the new North Korean territories will surely crash the South Korean economy.